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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so classic flying-saucer really standing

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meaning to my father and held his hand

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and he looked in his eyes and said we're

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not alone welcome to podcast UFO for our

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live show during the show feel free to

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to the show I'm Martin will assure hosts

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and I wasn't around last week so I do

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apologize I hope you listen to the rerun

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of Ralf Blumenthal that was a great

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interview and that's why I ran it again

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so anyway we will be going strong our

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guests this evening

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Rizwan actually ended up not feeling

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well so bill burns the great old bill

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burns is we had scheduled with him way

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ahead and he I asked him if he could

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jump back and do this show in particular

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he said no problem so here he is tonight

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we're gonna be introducing him in a

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little while before that we have

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Alejandro Rojas

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coming up with UFO updates a lot of

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they'd like to support the show but

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didn't want to go through PayPal pal and

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my website and all that I do now have a

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patreon page so your and that's linked

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up on my website podcast UFO calm so you

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can check it out there and get there

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from that website

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also we have a new blog and that is gray

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Barker what is the name of the gray

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Barker and it's a funny title something

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like UFO I forget it but anyway check

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out the blog prankster that's a UFO

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prankster so check that out if you would

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on podcast UFO calm

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and so I am gonna stop mumbling and get

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the great Alejandro Rojas on the show

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Alejandro welcome to the show hello Here

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I am so we can mumble together we can

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yes how you doing so not too bad it's

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been a crazy month July and now we're

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into early August already it's been nuts

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Oh super busy so of course Comic Con and

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then the MUFON symposium all kinds of

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stuff in fact I want to show off this

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t-shirt let's see for the youtubers this

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that this is a t-shirt I got it I move

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on it to new Travis Walton one okay let

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me let me just do this there I brought

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you over a single screen oh wow hey that

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is a great shirt the Zap pretty cool huh

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so that's not really gonna work yeah

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yeah the artist that does like the book

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and the posters and stuff like that kind

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of traveling around with him lately

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the guy's so awesome his work is great

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and so I love this new image he put

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together he's got a poster and stuff

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like that and he made a t-shirt which is

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awesome you might have noticed I had

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Travis sign it even but yeah so pretty

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otherwise a lot of stories out there I'm

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very excited about this story that just

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launched today so Comic Con was nearly a

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coerce them into getting onto the red

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carpet and letting me do an interview as

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especially Lou it's hard to do you and I

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are like some of the few UFO people

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who've gotten interviews with him but we

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were able to pull it off and I asked him

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a couple questions first of all I asked

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them about now that the season one

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/ of unidentified how the reception has

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who have been very excited to see the

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information come out and offer that peek

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of disclosure but of course there are

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very skeptical and we have to continue

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to chip away at that with information

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and data in fact this was a video

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interview I did which you can see on the

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front page of open minds right now a

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link to that and of course in my social

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media Cahill had a little bit of a

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different experience he says that

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actually from his standpoint that the

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response has been really overwhelmingly

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positive and in fact he says that he's

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family and he's been hearing from a lot

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of people such as military colleagues

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and such that are now kind of coming out

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of the show they feel more comfortable

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to do that so that's what's always good

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about these very credible shows another

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thing I asked about of course we had to

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ask about area 51 and in fact the rest

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of the questions I asked we took from

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the guests there at the party so

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everybody it was later in the party so

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most people already had a drink or two

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in them when we asked these questions

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but definitely a fun party atmosphere

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there but Lou said he was kind of

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exasperated when I asked the question

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you could see him do a major I role and

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he says no I'm not storming area 51 in

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fact I would advise very much against

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that he says look I think we have only

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gotten this far because we are working

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in a collaborative way with our

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government friends and colleagues I

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would not advise trespassing on federal

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property ever I think we need to work

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with them I think we need to be

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collegial and collaborative I think if

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we only look back to the last

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year-and-a-half I think we can see that

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we have achieved a lot through peaceful

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means that is very much ill advice in my

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opinion of course going to area 51 so he

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definitely does not recommend doing it

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at all in 80's very against it which

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makes sense and in fact this is kind of

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interesting some late-breaking news

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a to the Stars has announced they're

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working with a company I can't even

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remember the name right now you can look

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on their social media but essentially

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this company also has government

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contracts so they're gonna be working

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with the government on technology that's

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about all they've set so it's very

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cryptic we don't know much about that

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but what it indicates of course is more

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government collaboration with to the

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and so I know many consists conspiracy

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behind that but personally I think it's

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a positive step because you know these

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are people interested in these topics

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that we know you mentioned you know in

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fact lated issue with Ralph aluminum at

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the New York Times article that kind of

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broke the story with Leslie Kane and

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Helene Cooper but Ralph is one of those

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guys who's kind of been one of the

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mainstream guys on the fringe that have

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the stars people so it's just kind of

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funny because he's mainstream people

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conspiracies around you've probably even

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interview we're really saying why are

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you know that's good you know but not I

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can guess what they are you know of me

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because of a conversation that I had

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with him I don't know several months ago

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revealed and right now I'm not going to

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be talking to anyone so I think the

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reason that he's you know silent maybe

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some reason I mean that always stirs up

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controversy I don't know if that's part

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are a lot of you know there's a lot of

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buzz out there amongst the more

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conspiratorial UFO community that the

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entire New York Times seeing was

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engineered you know all of this

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mainstream media has been engineered

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essentially people believe anything that

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to mainstream engineered and you know

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some kind of mj-12 initiative or

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something like that so that's what I was

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referring to which gets kind of funny

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but at which doesn't have been able to

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interact and interview some of these

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guys they're a bunch of enthusiasts like

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us that are trying to get information

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out and trying to investigate and

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research all of this and that's why it's

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headlines if we got time yeah okay

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and but it says but people can't get

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over the alien drunk driver and so this

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is a kind of funny story a dish shaped

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grey object that was videotaped and it's

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floating around in the sky but it's kind

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of willy-nilly kind of floating like a

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drunk like the UFO driver is drunk or

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it's definitely dish shaped and for that

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propulsion or something like that to me

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it would in the wing kind of just back

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and forth like you know haphazardly as

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if it was a drunk driver Wow so so they

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people overseas some pilots overseas I

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don't know if you caught that oh yeah

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there was that pilot who was completely

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drunk yeah yeah and it happened so ever

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so often and likely I haven't been in a

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jet you know a commercial plane that was

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flying like that that would be pretty

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scary but down fortunately the computers

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flight but yeah so that's a funny story

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area 51 so some people might have

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noticed that the Facebook event for

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storm area 51 was actually taken down a

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couple days ago but just today and I

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found this out from a tweet from Jeremy

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Korbel who did the area 51 documentary

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are they bob lazar one

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that it's been reposted so you can go

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find that now I think it's something I

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don't know how many million have signed

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up for this event at this point but

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Belize is offering free trips to

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residents of the town near area 51 if

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they want to flee the town during the

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trying to cash in on the popularity of

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all of it and this is a pretty novel way

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for the Belize Tourism Board to get in

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there by offering free trips I think if

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I lived in that in Reichle I think this

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town I would probably do it why not yeah

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Wow

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yeah there's only a slight moment here

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so how many people signed up are you oh

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how many people signed up you want me to

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look it up real quick yeah well might as

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well I mean Jesus bazaar and I'm I'm

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kind of surprised still with the

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conversations you and I both have had

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that Facebook is leaving the page up

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when this is an illegal you know an

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illegal act would be what this is what's

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being promoted as an illegal act right I

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mean it is and I think that was the main

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argument however that what they've been

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arguing is that it was a joke

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so it wasn't serious that they were

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seriously trying to convince people that

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it was an illegal act and what Jeremy

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seems to be indicating is that the there

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were enough people to argue this that

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they put it back up and its popularity

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and certainly for instance the Belize

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Tourism Board a lot of people are not

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taking it completely seriously however

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I'm sure there are many who are taking

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it seriously and and I personally I

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think think I said this before and I'm

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still considering actually you know

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going down there just to kind of

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document what happened and we know this

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from George Knapp's reporting that

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at least some of the local businesses

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have been let's see if I can find it but

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have gotten some land where people can

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come and park and and they've also can't

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and camp out there and they've also

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hired bands to play music so like

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Woodstock yeah exactly there's gonna be

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a festival type thing going on there to

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some degree so that'll be fun and I do

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like that idea I mean if this turns into

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an annual festival at area 51 where

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people can kind of celebrate this idea

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but also express their interest in you

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know the government revealing more

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information about these topics that

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wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing that

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would be pretty interesting mm-hmm I

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don't mean what do you think you know I

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mean I I think the whole premise of the

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way it started is kind of you know kind

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of takes away from that you know but

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maybe nothing else could have

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kick-started an event that you know may

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happen and be repeated I don't know I am

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yes feelings I think if it yeah I think

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if it does happened that you would need

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quite a bit of security there to make

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sure that no goofballs actually do try

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it

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um so that they're vigilant in catching

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these guys and I think that for the most

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part it'll all be pretty nonviolent even

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if you know there are a couple people

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that stray over and get arrested for the

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most part there has not been you know

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violent as far as people who have gone

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over the line I've written an article

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about that about several people and

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essentially what they do is they they

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detain the security guards at area 51

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detain these people put them face down

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in the dirt and you've got to wait for

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the local cops to come which can take

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you know anywhere from 45 minutes to a

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few hours

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then you're taken into town and find and

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typically let go however there was a

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gentleman who did cross and you know

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they had to chase him down and he had a

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device in his hand and I think he

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actually got shot I'm actually probably

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gonna write an article about this one

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but so as far as I know that's the only

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one who's been harmed but yeah someone

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said here that it's dangerous and it

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certainly is a dangerous situation so I

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don't know we're gonna see what happens

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otherwise there are 2 million people

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currently signed up as going and then

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another 1.4 million that are signed up

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as interested I am still in the

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interested side of things certainly not

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contemplating whatsoever storming area

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51 but I am curious and and of course

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it's someone who covers this stuff I

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kind of like what would like to cover

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the story and see what happens and maybe

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get some pictures and video of what goes

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down out there

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I wonder if or anyone will be on a watch

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list or some type of list if they say

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they're going and you know you and I

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should figure out a way to capitalize on

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this like everybody else you know where

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the a boob is well for the UFO Congress

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actually for the UFO Congress we have

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been trying to figure that out but one

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thing that we are gonna have and we

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haven't really hit this big cuz Jeremy

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still getting us some more information

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but Jeremy does have a big announcement

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he's gonna be making related to this

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soon Jeremy Korbel and he will be

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updating people on this announcement at

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the UFO Congress so Jeremy and I have

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been talking and he does want to to kind

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of make this a big deal because they

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have something planned that they're

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going to be sharing soon and he'll be

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sharing a lot more information at the

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UFO Congress and it is related to the

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September 20th

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area 51 well so that is a smart guy he's

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figuring out how to capitalize on it

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interesting well it was his video that

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really started everything he did the

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documentary he's actually known Joe

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Rogan for some time and was able to talk

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Joe Rogan into

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having him in Bob Lazar on to my

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surprise and I think others Joe Rogan

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who's usually skeptical has been very

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excited about Bob Lazar and he keeps

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talking about him and posting stuff and

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that's what encouraged this young man

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Maddy Robertson to post this kind of

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joke event and so it was a you know

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inspired by Jeremy corbels documentary

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and Joe Rogan interviewing Bob Lazar

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interesting well this is really great

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alejandro we've gone over a little bit

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so okay anyway I'll be seeing you next

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week and I can't wait actually to see

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you like and what is it about a month

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right yeah just a few weeks so everybody

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you can see that the stories I'm talking

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about on the front page of open minds

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that TV and of course you can come hang

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out with Martin and I at the UFO

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Congress or check out UFO Congress calm

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and we're right here people are

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listening to us on kgr a if you use the

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code kg are a capital letters kg are a

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at checkout you'll get 10% off excellent

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all right

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all good Alejandro I'll talk to you next

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week all right thanks duck you later all

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right bye-bye

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all right our guest was kind enough to

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be the second guest on this show when I

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very first started when not a whole lot

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of people would take the chance to come

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on a show that's brand new like and from

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an unknown person like myself bill burns

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did and I've always appreciated that

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he's a great guy you may know him from

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the great show UFO Hunters that's still

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a lot of episodes up on YouTube he is

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highly intelligent has written a ton of

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books and a great guy and welcome to the

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show bill whoops I think we may have

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lost bill already hang on everyone let

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me let me see if I can get him back here

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we go

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bill you you there yeah hey did we did

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someone hang up on you I'm sorry there

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was always

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connected for some reason I found myself

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connected via Alejandra so when

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Alejandro clicked off monthly Jews went

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click back on so we'll blame it on

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Alejandro for now blame it on yesterday

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now welcome to show bill thank you yeah

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yeah and I know you've been on a few

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times over the years

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last time was and earlier I had

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announced that it was yourself and Nancy

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gonna be on the show but it was just you

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and that was my mistake when I was

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emailing the FC so anyway it's it's good

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to have you I always always like the

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both of you Nancy's wonderful and but

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anyway all good and Bill last time you

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were on the show we did that in person

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in oh those conference that's right and

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you write a lot of books I'm gonna say

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how many books have you written in total

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about 40 35 to 40 I'm not sure because I

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do I do a lot of co-authoring so that's

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right yeah so I count them too but yeah

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about about 40 books total since 1985

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yeah that's totally amazing and what's

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your latest book well what I'm working

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on now is a back about four years ago

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2017 maybe 2016 we wrote them a book

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called dr. feelgood which was the true

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story of this doctor who came to the

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United States from Germany in the 1930s

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he actually fled the Holocaust it was

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before the Holocaust actually started

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but the Nazi Brownshirts

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told him that he was on a list of people

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that were going to be picked up and put

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into concentration camps so he packed up

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his bags packed up his family they fled

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that night to Prague Czechoslovakia but

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he was a doctor and he couldn't practice

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medicine in Prague

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he didn't have a medical license there

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so what he did was he fled from there to

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Paris

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he was the doctor giving he was known as

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a doctor giving abortions and all kinds

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of not legal Western legal medical

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treatments to people among them with the

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writers Miller and its men people like

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that Billy Wilder the great producer and

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director and he came to the United

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States in the late 1930s right before

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the war broke out in Europe and he

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established a medical practice in New

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York what he's really known for is that

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this was the doctor who developed who

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synthesized when he was in Germany in

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the 1920s methamphetamine hmm so he was

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the original Walter White and he

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synthesized methamphetamine which was

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then the other Nazis took his formula

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and that became the drug premarin that

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was used to jack up Adolf Hitler during

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the war and he was injecting

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methamphetamine into a whole range of

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very famous people in New York

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Tennessee Williams Truman Capote a whole

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bunch of famous writers people who

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followed him from Europe a lot of

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European expats and they were role as

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patients one of his patients was Chuck

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Spalding who was president who was John

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senator then john f kennedy's roommate

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at harvard and when Kennedy was running

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for president and was very sick and hurt

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his back again he had a bad back and was

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suffering from irritable bowel syndrome

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and Crohn's disease and of course

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Addison's disease which in 1960 was a

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fatal disease it was an adrenal disease

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and it was fatal and he Chuck Spalding

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took max Jacobson to took President

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Kennedy to match jacobins office

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where Kennedy got his first

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methamphetamine shots and from that

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point on for the next three years he was

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a complete methamphetamine addict he was

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so impressed with the results of the

542
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:43,190
drug didn't really know that he was on

543
00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:44,360
speed

544
00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:47,990
he got Jackie Kennedy addicted Winston

545
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:50,470
Churchill became addicted to it and

546
00:24:57,490 --> 00:24:54,970
ultimately it killed Jackie Kennedy the

547
00:25:00,790 --> 00:24:57,500
effects of methamphetamine were so

548
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:00,800
powerful in terms of creating an intense

549
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:04,640
sexuality that John F Kennedy was having

550
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:07,250
an affair with Marilyn Monroe he spilled

551
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:10,970
the secrets of area 51 to Marilyn Monroe

552
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:13,970
and when the CIA was tapping his phone

553
00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:17,120
that was basically they realized that

554
00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:20,360
Kennedy was out of control and so we

555
00:25:27,730 --> 00:25:25,220
believed that part of the reason that

556
00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:27,740
the CIA was behind the Kennedy

557
00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:29,870
assassination and the murder of Marilyn

558
00:25:35,550 --> 00:25:34,280
Monroe was methamphetamine and the

559
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:35,560
Kennedy was out of control

560
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:39,110
Wow and so the book was dr. feelgood now

561
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:42,620
what we're doing is we are doing the

562
00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:45,890
sequel to dr. feelgood called the dr.

563
00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:49,160
feelgood case book and it's all the

564
00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:52,520
peripheral events surrounding this

565
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:55,940
doctor including things like of the

566
00:25:59,560 --> 00:25:57,890
story of Hedy Lamarr which is now going

567
00:26:07,240 --> 00:25:59,570
to be a television series starring gal

568
00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:07,250
gadot the other other events how of the

569
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:11,780
story of Marilyn Monroe and how that one

570
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:14,860
doctor created a whole community of

571
00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:18,890
methamphetamine users in the 1960s that

572
00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:20,870
resulted in death we believe max

573
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,750
Jacobson ultimately was a serial killer

574
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:25,760
he murdered his wife he murdered a CIA

575
00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:26,450
agent

576
00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:28,940
but max Jacobson when he was in Vienna

577
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:33,140
after he fled Berlin was turned into an

578
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:36,170
operative by the Soviet NKVD by the

579
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:39,170
Soviet military intelligence so here's a

580
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:40,610
doctor treating the President of the

581
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:43,070
United States who's a Soviet opera

582
00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:46,580
- also treating the Kennedy family

583
00:26:53,050 --> 00:26:49,040
photographer at the White House who was

584
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:53,060
a CIA non-official cover officer so it's

585
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,910
a real spy versus spy in the White House

586
00:26:59,860 --> 00:26:56,960
on drugs

587
00:27:03,010 --> 00:26:59,870
Wow that is gonna be quite a book well

588
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,020
all right we are right at break this is

589
00:27:12,970 --> 00:27:05,120
Martin Willis I'm on with bill burns

590
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,980
hang on and we'll be right back all

591
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:14,720
right Martin we're in the clear there's

592
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:17,690
four minutes give or take a few here in

593
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:19,850
this branch four minutes got it

594
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:23,510
all right bill so I think we pretty much

595
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:25,670
wrapped up that right before the break

596
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:30,950
on this book so during the YouTube break

597
00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:35,210
the four minutes let's just chat this

598
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:38,060
may come up anyway but let's just chat

599
00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:41,690
about UFO Hunters where hi first got the

600
00:27:45,970 --> 00:27:43,790
idea of asking you to be on the show how

601
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:45,980
did you did you get on that show because

602
00:27:57,010 --> 00:27:50,090
of the magazine originally uh actually

603
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,020
ultimately no they used my name is

604
00:28:02,380 --> 00:27:59,360
publisher of the magazine but I

605
00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:02,390
originally got on the show because we

606
00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:06,200
had a an e-book company oh we still do

607
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:10,190
but this was back in 2003 we had an

608
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:12,700
e-book company called filament books and

609
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:16,450
we had a number of authors that the old

610
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:19,700
that the producers of the old UFO FILES

611
00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:22,990
wanted on the show so in the

612
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,550
conversation setting up the rationale

613
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:29,120
for that UFO FILES episode they said

614
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:31,370
well why don't you just be on the show

615
00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:33,460
just you know you wilt reduce them and

616
00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:38,060
this was Soviet of the Soviet conspiracy

617
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,560
about UFOs and so I did and the funny

618
00:28:48,790 --> 00:28:45,200
thing was I had just had laser eye

619
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:48,800
surgery I mean that earlier that week

620
00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:52,250
and so we were living in California

621
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,680
living in Marina del Rey actually living

622
00:28:59,030 --> 00:28:56,640
on a boat right

623
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:59,040
remember he said that yeah right and so

624
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:00,900
we were on the dock and they said oh

625
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:02,340
it's such a beautiful scene the

626
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,710
sailboats floating back and forth and

627
00:29:11,180 --> 00:29:07,020
Santa Monica Bay and the beautiful

628
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,190
sunshine let's film you on the dock and

629
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:12,720
I said well if you film me on the dock

630
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:14,730
and the bright California sunshine

631
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:18,030
Desert Sun if you film me on the dock I

632
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,510
have to wear sunglasses because the the

633
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:24,000
doctor my eye doctor said you can't walk

634
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:26,190
around the Sun without sunglasses

635
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:29,880
because you just had surgery just had

636
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,200
the laser surgery so I said to them you

637
00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:36,960
know if I'm gonna be in the Sun if I'm

638
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:39,180
in the shade that's fine but if I'm

639
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:42,780
going to be in the Sun outside then I'm

640
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:44,370
gonna have to wear sunglasses so what

641
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:47,880
they did was they took a photo and sent

642
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:49,860
it back to New York to the network and

643
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:51,480
they said leave it we liked it it's a

644
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,100
great looks great that's how that I got

645
00:30:03,470 --> 00:29:58,500
to wear the sunglasses on the show right

646
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,480
and from there I was I did a few more of

647
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:05,120
the old UFO FILES

648
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:10,440
then I was on the magazine and one of

649
00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:12,540
our writers was Pat us Kurt who would

650
00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:16,940
seen a UFO over Venice Beach and Pat

651
00:30:22,550 --> 00:30:19,680
sent us the video that he took ELISA and

652
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:22,560
we said to Pat my wife Nancy who was the

653
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:24,390
editor of the magazine said to Pat you

654
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:27,690
know why this is a great idea why don't

655
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:31,260
you take a shot of a circular balloon

656
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:32,810
one of those party silver balloons

657
00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:37,950
launch that through MIT then do a split

658
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,990
screen with the balloon against the UFO

659
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:41,820
and let everybody see it and say okay

660
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,070
fine you can see the difference between

661
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:47,340
a balloon spinning in the air currents

662
00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:51,810
and a UFO moving over the coast and very

663
00:30:57,770 --> 00:30:54,060
popular and put it up on YouTube with

664
00:31:00,260 --> 00:30:57,780
his very popular so then my wife

665
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,270
suggested you know why don't you it this

666
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:02,640
would be a great YouTube video why don't

667
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:06,000
you find other people who did the same

668
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:08,310
thing you did who saw a UFO and filmed

669
00:31:13,270 --> 00:31:10,140
it and

670
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:13,280
let's put that on YouTube so he did and

671
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:16,980
then I was doing a movie at Hearst

672
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:19,940
television Hearst reality television

673
00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:24,050
called actuality television and I

674
00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:27,180
proposed to them this is a great idea if

675
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:28,740
you went into a UFO show it's fabulous

676
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:32,310
and they said ah we don't think UFOs

677
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,980
will sell oh we like the idea you guys

678
00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:37,020
are into makes sense but I don't know I

679
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,740
don't think it's gonna work so I went to

680
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,480
the producer of UFO FILES

681
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:44,880
and he said that's great let's do a demo

682
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:48,360
reel so we did a demo reel then History

683
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:50,130
Channel said why don't you do an episode

684
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:54,930
of UFO FILES with the people that you

685
00:32:00,050 --> 00:31:56,700
think would be great to do this other

686
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:00,060
show so we did and that was the show we

687
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,140
did um call red alert UF u SOS and we

688
00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:06,000
went out of the Santa Monica Bay with

689
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:08,160
test tubes and all them skin diving

690
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,790
scuba diving equipment Nate they did

691
00:32:15,980 --> 00:32:14,220
some scuba diving off the boat well

692
00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:15,990
we're looking for trace elements of a

693
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,630
crashed UFO it's one of the highest

694
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:21,480
rated UFO FILES episodes so UFO FILES

695
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:22,710
said okay let's do the show

696
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:24,750
what do you want to call it and we said

697
00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:28,230
how about UFO roadtrip and what we

698
00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:31,680
didn't know was that history or five

699
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:34,830
years earlier had or maybe eight years

700
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:38,700
earlier had already trademarked the name

701
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,700
UFO hunters and they said no will caught

702
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:43,710
UFO Hunters and that's how UFO Hunters

703
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:46,410
was born amazing Wow

704
00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:48,710
I'd love to hear the backstory and how

705
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:51,540
these things you know start there's

706
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:53,190
always that's not a really good story to

707
00:32:58,460 --> 00:32:54,350
it

708
00:33:03,380 --> 00:32:58,470
well I just found out that the radio

709
00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:03,390
station lost power KTR hey so we're

710
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:06,180
gonna keep going here on YouTube and let

711
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:08,790
me just see yeah it's just you and I

712
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:11,730
here okay well that's fine well keep

713
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:14,880
going so you pretty much wrapped it up

714
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,580
you were talking about max Jacobson and

715
00:33:21,170 --> 00:33:19,620
about your book there you pretty much

716
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:21,180
wrapped up what that's going to be about

717
00:33:28,249 --> 00:33:25,529
and that's really amazing when you

718
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:28,259
in particular about Jackie is that

719
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:30,600
really is that documented what went on

720
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:33,330
well absolutely yeah I mean first of all

721
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:43,490
1978 ish maybe mm-hmm

722
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:48,559
he died in 79 he wrote a mini

723
00:33:53,419 --> 00:33:50,850
autobiography and which was really kind

724
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,429
of a rant I mean he was furious at what

725
00:33:58,519 --> 00:33:55,679
happened to him because he felt that he

726
00:34:02,299 --> 00:33:58,529
got President Kennedy elected that he

727
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:02,309
that he got Jackie Kennedy he cured her

728
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:04,710
migraines he cured a whole bunch of

729
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:08,970
symptoms of course long-term extensive

730
00:34:14,899 --> 00:34:10,919
methamphetamine use according to John F

731
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,909
Kennedy jr. John John he told of one of

732
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:17,159
the one of our sources that it was the

733
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,899
methamphetamines that caused Jackie's

734
00:34:25,399 --> 00:34:21,060
acute lymphoma and that's why she died

735
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:25,409
Wow but so I mean theoretically he

736
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:28,500
killed her as well but me up this is all

737
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:31,409
documented stuff listen that's something

738
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:34,950
and now you said that he basically this

739
00:34:43,569 --> 00:34:37,530
was his own chemical formula to begin

740
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:43,579
with well the German scientists were

741
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:47,329
experimenting with methamphetamines

742
00:34:55,149 --> 00:34:50,010
before World War two as far back as the

743
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:55,159
1920s as a method to keep pilots awake

744
00:35:02,839 --> 00:34:58,970
okay let's let's even go further back

745
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:02,849
drugs have been used as stimulants in

746
00:35:07,099 --> 00:35:03,720
warfare

747
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:07,109
ever since the 15th century I mean you

748
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:10,940
all know the story of Marco Polo who

749
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:15,839
discovered that the Mongolians were

750
00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:22,440
using a hashish as a drug to whip up

751
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:26,180
their assassins and the word assassin

752
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:31,500
comes I mean etymologically it comes

753
00:35:47,579 --> 00:35:43,950
worthy killers i n is the arabic aramaic

754
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:47,589
hebrew ending for a plural and so the

755
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,609
harsh machine were contract killers the

756
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:53,920
first contract killers and that came

757
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:55,540
into the english language as the word

758
00:36:01,380 --> 00:35:58,630
assassin and so the mongolians and the

759
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:01,390
chinese were using it first all the way

760
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:06,190
back in the late Middle Ages and in the

761
00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:10,690
18th and 19th century well in the 18th

762
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:13,300
century uh drugs were used a drug cat

763
00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:18,160
was used in South America and a version

764
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:20,140
of that was used in Africa during the

765
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:22,270
British colonial wars against the Zulus

766
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:24,970
in the 19th century so the idea of using

767
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:28,140
drugs to enhance warrior skills and

768
00:36:35,790 --> 00:36:31,960
deaden pain one of the big one of the

769
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:35,800
big stories was that how could the

770
00:36:44,849 --> 00:36:40,180
British a British Royal Army contingent

771
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,859
was wiped out by the Zulus and people

772
00:36:52,349 --> 00:36:46,960
were saying how could the Zulus

773
00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:52,359
withstand British gunfire and the reason

774
00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:56,020
was that a lot of the warriors were on

775
00:37:01,290 --> 00:36:58,750
drugs and even though they were shot

776
00:37:04,109 --> 00:37:01,300
they could withstand the pain and the

777
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:04,119
British were amazed the German

778
00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:06,900
scientists in the early 20th century

779
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:10,900
1915 well were right after the war 1918

780
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:15,310
ish they were began experimenting with

781
00:37:22,319 --> 00:37:19,300
drugs to keep soldiers awake on long

782
00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:22,329
marches during the trenches because one

783
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:25,060
of the issues in European trench warfare

784
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:27,490
during the First World War was that

785
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:30,310
soldiers couldn't stay awake for 48

786
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:32,970
hours at a time they would go to sleep

787
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:43,530
as a result what happened was the German

788
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:47,710
scientists developed this drug basically

789
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:51,310
speed that would keep soldiers awakened

790
00:38:00,060 --> 00:37:57,070
then when aerial warfare began they were

791
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:00,070
using the drug to keep pilots awake the

792
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:02,950
Americans used drug to keep pilots awake

793
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:05,560
during World War two I mean whoever is

794
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:07,600
using the drug it wasn't another was

795
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:11,050
like a hidden drug and so when max

796
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:14,110
Jacobson synthesized it it became very

797
00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:16,630
popular in Germany and then in Europe

798
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:20,740
and it became the drug of choice for a

799
00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:24,910
lot of a European literati who claim

800
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:27,460
that the drug gave them enhanced

801
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:31,450
creative powers that was the codori that

802
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:33,730
max Jacobson brought to America with him

803
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:37,380
and the list of people who were his

804
00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:40,570
patients and later became drug addicts

805
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:43,360
ranged all the way from Cecil B DeMille

806
00:38:49,610 --> 00:38:46,890
to Winston Churchill to Harry Truman oh

807
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:49,620
come on both sides of the Atlantic

808
00:38:55,770 --> 00:38:53,860
in fact that the story goes that sessile

809
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:55,780
B DeMille when he was filming the 10

810
00:39:02,010 --> 00:38:58,570
commandments had a major heart attack

811
00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:02,020
and his Egyptian doctors you know

812
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:04,350
filming it obviously outside of Cairo

813
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,440
his Egyptian doctors said that he would

814
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:10,480
have to leave the set to go into a

815
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,670
hospital for treatment and he said no

816
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:15,760
way I'm doing that he called his doctor

817
00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:19,530
max Jacobson flew him out to Egypt and

818
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,590
max gave him heavy-duty methamphetamine

819
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:24,880
injections but it was not just

820
00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:26,790
methamphetamine that's the whole point

821
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:30,040
Jacobson believed this was his theory

822
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:36,190
that diseases like muscular dystrophy

823
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:40,410
and all kinds of blood diseases leukemia

824
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:46,200
could be cured by treating the blood

825
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:48,940
because when max Jacobson began his

826
00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:50,890
residency in surgery at the Charity

827
00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:52,470
Hospital

828
00:39:59,940 --> 00:39:58,030
he realized that patients weren't dying

829
00:40:01,350 --> 00:39:59,950
from the operations it was that it was a

830
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:01,360
joke gee the operation was successful

831
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:04,570
too bad the patient died

832
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:07,030
the operations worked patients were

833
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:08,820
dying from sepsis

834
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:12,250
and in fact what most people don't

835
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:15,730
realize is that in the Civil War most of

836
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:19,260
the deaths were deaths from sepsis and

837
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:23,170
the other fascinating thing about it was

838
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:25,450
that um Abraham Lincoln for example

839
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Abraham Lincoln uh didn't die from the

840
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:36,850
gunshot wound he lived for 24 hours what

841
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:42,280
he died from was sepsis and so because

842
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:46,000
sepsis was so prevalent max Jacobson

843
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:48,220
believed that if he could avoid surgery

844
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:51,420
if he could avoid surgery completely

845
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:54,100
then um he could he would treat the

846
00:41:00,600 --> 00:40:57,130
blood so how did he treat the blood his

847
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:00,610
theory was that if he could inject into

848
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:02,190
the bloodstream

849
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:06,310
live cells from animals now remember

850
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:11,230
these are live cells okay live cells

851
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,490
from animals that rejuvenated themselves

852
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:17,440
so what animals rejuvenate themselves

853
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:21,810
eels right cuddly eel grows a new body

854
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:27,900
so if they're ill cells sheep gonads

855
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:32,590
sperm cells from Bulls he ejected all

856
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:36,070
these rejuvenating organisms into the

857
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:40,420
human body in Germany in the 1920s there

858
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:42,790
was no Food and Drug Administration so

859
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:46,240
how did doctors test the effects of

860
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:48,850
their drugs they self injected that's

861
00:41:55,050 --> 00:41:52,090
what they did they self injected so as a

862
00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:55,060
result max Jacobson began injecting

863
00:42:02,070 --> 00:41:57,840
himself with this concoction and he got

864
00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:02,080
so sick so he said what if I could find

865
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:07,870
a way to mask the initial effects of the

866
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:13,510
the this animal by-product and by the

867
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:16,540
time the effects wear off I'm cured

868
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:18,930
so that's when he sent this

869
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:23,650
methamphetamine but as a result he

870
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:27,100
became a meth addict hmm so he's

871
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:29,830
addicted to his own medications but and

872
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:33,220
this is a fascinating thing in the eel

873
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:38,050
cell sheep gonads bull sperm and all the

874
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:41,400
stuff that he injected we're living

875
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:45,660
bacteria and living viruses

876
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:48,670
what is it virus one I mean think about

877
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:51,730
this it's a life form what does it want

878
00:42:58,140 --> 00:42:54,850
if it had volition which it does by the

879
00:43:00,300 --> 00:42:58,150
way what would a virus want same thing

880
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:00,310
you do right good place to live without

881
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:04,540
a leaky roof enough food to eat a way to

882
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:07,630
mate and the ability to move to a new

883
00:43:14,850 --> 00:43:10,720
place when it got overcrowded right

884
00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:14,860
that's what we do so sure enough the

885
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:19,000
that collective of viruses began

886
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:21,940
inspiring max Jacobson to inject more

887
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:24,270
and more people with that substance and

888
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,190
that's exactly what he did and that's

889
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:30,160
exactly what happened and so this is a

890
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:36,340
real case of how a virus how bacteria is

891
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:40,960
spread through ostensibly and almost

892
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:45,370
innocent means initially but becomes but

893
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,070
become a deadly disease and that's what

894
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:50,800
happened and that's how max Jacobson's

895
00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:55,510
drugs spread Wow Wow still still a big

896
00:44:02,960 --> 00:43:58,900
problem well we're back on the radio so

897
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:02,970
welcome back everyone over at kgr a and

898
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:07,840
so bill going back during the break we

899
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:09,370
were talking a little bit about UFO

900
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:13,270
Hunters and I wanted to ask you what was

901
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:22,410
really liked the dulce episode because

902
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:26,380
in the dulce episode we uncovered what I

903
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:29,890
think was a is a massive I mean it's

904
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:31,690
beyond you of a first of all Gabe

905
00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:35,170
des who was with us in the Dells episode

906
00:44:42,059 --> 00:44:38,500
a it was on the Hickory Apache

907
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:42,069
reservation and what we have done to

908
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,250
Native Americans is a monumental tragedy

909
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:47,200
what the government and big

910
00:44:53,849 --> 00:44:50,950
pharmaceuticals did was they used that

911
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:53,859
reservation as a testing facility for

912
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:56,230
what they wanted to do what gave Valdez

913
00:45:00,960 --> 00:44:57,970
who was a New Mexico State Police told

914
00:45:03,539 --> 00:45:00,970
us was that he never believed there were

915
00:45:08,819 --> 00:45:03,549
UFOs behind this thing that it was not

916
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:08,829
an alien thing he said it was worse he

917
00:45:14,849 --> 00:45:12,640
discovered a mutilated cow on the row he

918
00:45:18,089 --> 00:45:14,859
was in his patrol car and discovered a

919
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:18,099
you know a mutilated cow on the road on

920
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:23,260
the reservation and when he examined and

921
00:45:30,539 --> 00:45:25,630
there was a helicopter hovering over the

922
00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:30,549
cow unmarked black helicopter flipped

923
00:45:37,289 --> 00:45:34,869
his lights on sped up that helicopter

924
00:45:43,170 --> 00:45:37,299
flew right off and he sees that the

925
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:43,180
mutilated cow was pregnant and he called

926
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:45,460
his cousin who was a veterinarian the

927
00:45:54,299 --> 00:45:50,049
cow was dead they opened up the womb the

928
00:46:00,990 --> 00:45:54,309
placenta and what they found was a

929
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:01,000
bovine fetus with a human head well he

930
00:46:06,329 --> 00:46:04,420
took a photo with that and when we were

931
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:06,339
doing the show he said I don't want to

932
00:46:10,019 --> 00:46:08,020
show you this it's it's it's it's it's

933
00:46:12,779 --> 00:46:10,029
awful we said no you have to show it so

934
00:46:15,269 --> 00:46:12,789
he showed it to us the network fought us

935
00:46:16,829 --> 00:46:15,279
on putting it on the air we convinced

936
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:16,839
them to put it on the air I said you

937
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:18,010
know where the UFO Hunters for God's

938
00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:20,260
sakes why don't you put something on the

939
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:22,299
air that makes sense right stupid why do

940
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:25,270
we show and then avoid the obvious they

941
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:28,950
put it on the air this was in March of

942
00:46:40,579 --> 00:46:34,420
2009 I think I saw that I saw a calf

943
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:40,589
that was really bizarre yeah in April

944
00:46:57,340 --> 00:46:50,440
and for you and I believe not McCain but

945
00:47:00,940 --> 00:46:57,350
Graham they proposed a bill they put

946
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:00,950
forth a bill in the Senate to modify the

947
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:04,610
federal penal code title 18 to make it a

948
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:08,570
crime to interbreed two to interbreed

949
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:13,850
genetically humans and animals when they

950
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:17,630
did that the government was they came

951
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:21,050
after Disney Disney owned a knee a knee

952
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,870
own history and that was the end of the

953
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,480
show and how do I know that they just

954
00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:28,400
said no an official cover officer for

955
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:32,080
the CIA met us on Long Island and

956
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:34,570
basically said you guys are toast

957
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:37,220
we said toast what are you crazy our

958
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:38,840
ratings are through the roof were

959
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:40,460
beating Jon Stewart in The Daily Show

960
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,230
we're beating all the other shows with a

961
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:44,480
high-speed network show on the History

962
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:49,240
Channel and he said don't argue with me

963
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:50,690
you're dead

964
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:54,470
and sure enough two months later we got

965
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:58,700
the cancellation notice because of that

966
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:03,200
and we were told we were told you guys

967
00:48:08,890 --> 00:48:05,900
stepped you guys just didn't step on a

968
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:08,900
lot of toes you pounced on the biggest

969
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:13,250
toes there are but it wasn't even it was

970
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:15,500
the decision of the producer of the show

971
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:17,660
to actually go home well of the network

972
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:21,440
the network not the producer the network

973
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:25,430
and the funny thing was that that sees

974
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:28,390
as the third season that season I

975
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:32,570
proposed to the network brass a show

976
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:32,960
called

977
00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:36,230
ancient aliens and so what the network

978
00:48:41,230 --> 00:48:38,360
did was they wouldn't give the show to

979
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:41,240
us they gave the show to another company

980
00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:42,980
and said which is fine I mean that way

981
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:46,100
that's it's their decision but they said

982
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:48,130
okay you can you can be in the show and

983
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:50,810
so that's what I'm stolen ancient aliens

984
00:48:56,859 --> 00:48:55,160
for the past ten years huh Wow Wow is

985
00:49:02,410 --> 00:48:56,869
that something

986
00:49:03,789 --> 00:49:02,420
so I do remember that picture I thought

987
00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:03,799
it was more than I thought it was

988
00:49:07,709 --> 00:49:05,900
actually on video that showed that calf

989
00:49:10,569 --> 00:49:07,719
it wasn't video was just a photograph

990
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:10,579
was a photograph I mean the photograph

991
00:49:16,959 --> 00:49:12,710
was videoed so you saw it on video

992
00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:16,969
because photo kept yeah yeah any other

993
00:49:23,769 --> 00:49:21,589
cases that you looked at that where you

994
00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:23,779
made like a discovery that was unknown

995
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:25,789
until you actually did the research on

996
00:49:36,009 --> 00:49:32,150
it well there was the UFO this was in

997
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:36,019
needles California and there was a whole

998
00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:41,630
UFO flap over needles and so we went and

999
00:49:50,609 --> 00:49:46,460
that was in season 2 and what we

1000
00:49:54,459 --> 00:49:50,619
discovered and so the story was this

1001
00:49:58,089 --> 00:49:54,469
that folks who lived along the Colorado

1002
00:50:00,489 --> 00:49:58,099
River the Colorado River runs outside of

1003
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:00,499
needles California and the folks who

1004
00:50:08,499 --> 00:50:02,900
live along the Colorado River saw this

1005
00:50:11,259 --> 00:50:08,509
massive blue object crash on the banks

1006
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:11,269
of the river and then this one person

1007
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:13,369
riverboat Bob he lived on his boat in

1008
00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:17,410
the river but Bob saw a sky crane

1009
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:20,180
helicopter surrounded by other

1010
00:50:28,569 --> 00:50:23,390
helicopters lifting the object up and

1011
00:50:30,329 --> 00:50:28,579
carrying it away and the local radio

1012
00:50:37,749 --> 00:50:30,339
station began talking about it well

1013
00:50:42,579 --> 00:50:37,759
within a matter of a day a day a group

1014
00:50:46,359 --> 00:50:42,589
of a contingent of black camouflage

1015
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:46,369
wearing troops because they were heavily

1016
00:50:53,049 --> 00:50:51,440
heavily armed in armored vehicles will

1017
00:50:55,769 --> 00:50:53,059
actually pick up four armored pickup

1018
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:55,779
trucks with 50 cals mounted on them

1019
00:51:02,529 --> 00:50:58,670
moved into town and began questioning

1020
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:02,539
the people who saw it very very harshly

1021
00:51:07,059 --> 00:51:05,089
right shades of Roswell write very

1022
00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:07,069
harshly you talk about this you're going

1023
00:51:09,819 --> 00:51:08,660
to wind up in jail you got a 1-up in the

1024
00:51:13,859 --> 00:51:09,829
desert we're good

1025
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:13,869
that kind of stuff so George Knapp

1026
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:17,630
coast-to-coast George Knapp and but also

1027
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:21,890
from channel 8 in Las Vegas he went out

1028
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:24,950
there and wanted to interview these

1029
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,650
people and so he sees them and they said

1030
00:51:31,449 --> 00:51:30,319
him who are you and an app says Who am I

1031
00:51:35,709 --> 00:51:31,459
who are you

1032
00:51:38,469 --> 00:51:35,719
and they say eventually began to a

1033
00:51:41,469 --> 00:51:38,479
conversation and they say we're from the

1034
00:51:48,219 --> 00:51:41,479
Department of Energy these were the

1035
00:51:51,219 --> 00:51:48,229
troops who round up a new club loose

1036
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:51,229
nukes that's what they said loose nukes

1037
00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:55,910
oh and so for some reason the Department

1038
00:52:02,499 --> 00:51:58,940
of Energy sent heavily armed troops into

1039
00:52:04,809 --> 00:52:02,509
needles California to intimidate the

1040
00:52:09,279 --> 00:52:04,819
witnesses about this object

1041
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:09,289
okay so then we heard after the show in

1042
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:11,390
the next season we heard that the folks

1043
00:52:15,459 --> 00:52:13,369
and needles were being harassed by black

1044
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,469
helicopters flying over so he went back

1045
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:18,079
to needles California in season three

1046
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:20,329
and we basically sit on the same Hill

1047
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:22,910
where they was seeing the helicopters

1048
00:52:29,019 --> 00:52:25,910
and said come on boys let's go where the

1049
00:52:33,029 --> 00:52:29,029
helicopters and we knew that they

1050
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:37,420
amazing so what do you think the object

1051
00:52:45,489 --> 00:52:40,640
would have been to make you know group

1052
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:45,499
like that show up we believed that it

1053
00:52:51,390 --> 00:52:47,890
was a a nuclear object it was glowing

1054
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:51,400
radiant lose/lose a nuclear object huh

1055
00:52:56,529 --> 00:52:54,440
and we believed it was it was it was one

1056
00:53:00,759 --> 00:52:56,539
of our it's not a UFO was one of our

1057
00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:00,769
weapons that was fired from probably 51

1058
00:53:09,069 --> 00:53:04,660
over the Mojave Desert missed its mark

1059
00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:09,079
and landed in the on the banks of the

1060
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:13,190
Colorado River and so that was a secret

1061
00:53:20,859 --> 00:53:18,529
weapons test uh Wow but but actually

1062
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,869
threatening I mean that's just so

1063
00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:22,640
bizarre

1064
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:24,260
that's right take it to that point

1065
00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:27,920
mm-hmm it's exactly right and it was a

1066
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:30,220
we thought it was pretty horrified

1067
00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:34,610
amazing Wow okay well we are at the

1068
00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:37,340
break so we are going to so hard break

1069
00:53:46,810 --> 00:53:40,940
we're gonna go into and we will be right

1070
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:46,820
back right after these messes Martin

1071
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:50,810
Willis and my guest this evening is Bill

1072
00:53:59,290 --> 00:53:55,370
burns bill so during the break you and I

1073
00:54:02,560 --> 00:53:59,300
were talking about ideas on what to talk

1074
00:54:05,370 --> 00:54:02,570
about and you mentioned area 51 what are

1075
00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:05,380
your thoughts on that well first of all

1076
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:08,780
um the same person who said to us

1077
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,410
the CIA non-official cover officer who

1078
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:15,680
said to us that he told this is fabulous

1079
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:19,040
area 51 story and something like this

1080
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:22,280
area 51 when you go there and you see

1081
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:26,140
the signs it says use of deadly force

1082
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,730
authorized which means that

1083
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:31,760
theoretically you should be shot dead if

1084
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:35,480
you cross that border now the whole

1085
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:39,520
border of area 51 it's not tensed off

1086
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:43,820
it's an electronic fence which by the

1087
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:47,330
way I mean it's stupid didn't spend a

1088
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:50,030
gazillion dollars for a stupid wall once

1089
00:54:53,830 --> 00:54:51,830
you'd have an electronic no man if you

1090
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:53,840
cross that electronic wall immediately

1091
00:55:01,810 --> 00:54:56,570
it triggers a sensor but them this is

1092
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:01,820
not political the what what all along

1093
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:04,730
the border are microphones and motion

1094
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:12,590
sensors as you approach screens in the

1095
00:55:19,090 --> 00:55:15,140
surveillance among the surveillance

1096
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:19,100
guards screens light up and they can

1097
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:25,010
hear your conversation one time this CIA

1098
00:55:30,580 --> 00:55:28,790
guy said who's in Delta Force by the way

1099
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:30,590
so that it's not as though he was just

1100
00:55:36,010 --> 00:55:33,050
he was an analyst this was a Delta Force

1101
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:36,020
federal law enforcement officer

1102
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:40,240
who served on Delta Force who's an army

1103
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:44,000
he said that in addition to all the

1104
00:55:53,230 --> 00:55:46,790
other personnel there it's guarded by

1105
00:55:57,070 --> 00:55:53,240
Delta Force specialists these two school

1106
00:56:00,850 --> 00:55:57,080
teachers showed up at area fifty years

1107
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:00,860
ago they showed up at area 51 and they

1108
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:04,190
stepped over the boundary to say oh we

1109
00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:08,990
were on early 51 and the Delta Force

1110
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:10,820
cried for listening to them they hear

1111
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:14,480
the entire conversation then they walked

1112
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,250
away their superior officers said to

1113
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:22,160
them why didn't you shoot them and the

1114
00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:24,290
Delta and the Delta Force guys said this

1115
00:56:33,310 --> 00:56:27,860
to the superior officers we joined the

1116
00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:33,320
army and requested Army Ranger and Delta

1117
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:35,780
Force to protect the United States of

1118
00:56:42,550 --> 00:56:39,110
America we didn't join the army to shoot

1119
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:42,560
schoolteachers and the superior officer

1120
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:45,410
said you're fired and you're gonna go

1121
00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:47,870
back to the Middle East and they said

1122
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:50,360
we'd rather be in the Middle East than

1123
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:53,690
have to defend an air base against

1124
00:56:59,980 --> 00:56:58,130
schoolteachers young people and all the

1125
00:57:02,740 --> 00:56:59,990
people who just want to see what the big

1126
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:02,750
secret is Wow

1127
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:05,750
well I know they remove the signs that

1128
00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:09,290
said deadly force

1129
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:10,940
I prefer get exactly what they say they

1130
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,330
said prior to that but music and said

1131
00:57:19,450 --> 00:57:17,200
yeah the sign said use of deadly force

1132
00:57:20,590 --> 00:57:19,460
authorized I mean I was there I stood by

1133
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:20,600
the in fact it's a picture of me

1134
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:22,610
standing by the sign somewhere mm-hmm

1135
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:25,310
well according to Alejandro I mentioned

1136
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:28,370
that as well when we first talked about

1137
00:57:34,210 --> 00:57:31,760
this a few weeks ago and he claims that

1138
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:34,220
those signs are no longer there I don't

1139
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:39,530
know yeah what happened was if you

1140
00:57:47,710 --> 00:57:43,310
trespass on that federal property you

1141
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,720
are detained harshly or less harshly

1142
00:57:52,589 --> 00:57:49,839
depending upon who but who

1143
00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:52,599
or you're detained and they call the

1144
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:55,900
sheriff yeah and it's that's a criminal

1145
00:58:01,410 --> 00:57:58,960
offense but it's punished with a fine

1146
00:58:04,469 --> 00:58:01,420
and it's a misdemeanor and they haul you

1147
00:58:06,539 --> 00:58:04,479
away so they don't shoot you dead yeah

1148
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:06,549
but I'll tell you something if you

1149
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:12,059
wanted to do an event celebrating UFOs

1150
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:14,410
you might want to get involved in this I

1151
00:58:21,870 --> 00:58:16,089
mean I'm obviously this is not something

1152
00:58:26,459 --> 00:58:21,880
I would do but Alejandro you anybody

1153
00:58:31,769 --> 00:58:26,469
else why don't you do this have a rock

1154
00:58:35,819 --> 00:58:31,779
festival in Reichle a UFO themed rock

1155
00:58:40,259 --> 00:58:35,829
festival in Rachel Nevada call it UFO

1156
00:58:43,319 --> 00:58:40,269
stock you fall stock yeah I'm you could

1157
00:58:46,019 --> 00:58:43,329
get bands you could get sponsorship I

1158
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:46,029
think this is actually what's going to

1159
00:58:51,390 --> 00:58:48,940
be happening it seems to be turning into

1160
00:58:54,749 --> 00:58:51,400
something like that that's exactly what

1161
00:58:58,769 --> 00:58:54,759
I would do you have you have in between

1162
00:59:01,559 --> 00:58:58,779
the bands speakers I mean Peter Merlin

1163
00:59:03,209 --> 00:59:01,569
is the UF is the area 51 expert he's

1164
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:03,219
been all over TV we were on a bunch of

1165
00:59:07,259 --> 00:59:06,219
he was on my show and he was on a bunch

1166
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:07,269
of other show we weren't a bunch of

1167
00:59:13,499 --> 00:59:09,430
other shows together he'd be great on

1168
00:59:16,739 --> 00:59:13,509
that show get people doing talk about

1169
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:16,749
your book I mean the stories of what

1170
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:18,119
goes on there

1171
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:21,849
you could get TD Barnes that I think

1172
00:59:25,859 --> 00:59:23,529
he's still alive TD Barnes who was an

1173
00:59:31,709 --> 00:59:25,869
engineer who worked there he worked on

1174
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:31,719
the a 15 on the on the first of the

1175
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:33,430
spike lanes that we reversed engineered

1176
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,910
from the Soviet planes hmm a lot of

1177
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:39,180
people you could get Wow

1178
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,890
yeah I would get any Jacobs in there who

1179
00:59:46,499 --> 00:59:44,319
who wrote the book on area 51 now

1180
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:46,509
someone just mentioned Bob Lazar in the

1181
00:59:51,329 --> 00:59:49,690
chat room and homeless or would be great

1182
00:59:54,749 --> 00:59:51,339
I don't know Bob Lazar is doing that but

1183
00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:54,759
but but that's great hmm funny thing

1184
00:59:59,519 --> 00:59:57,849
about Bob Lazar so there was a group of

1185
01:00:03,630 --> 00:59:59,529
people who say that all the credentials

1186
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:03,640
that Bob Lazar presented

1187
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:07,030
were faked mm-hmm George Knapp said no

1188
01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:09,490
he researched it in fan bob lizards name

1189
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:14,590
in an old phone directory of area 51

1190
01:00:23,010 --> 01:00:18,720
personnel I thought that was Los Alamos

1191
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:23,020
um I think it was right but it was Lissa

1192
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:24,790
he said he worked at Los Alamos and

1193
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:28,390
that's how he was beamed up to area 51

1194
01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:31,450
and that's where George Knapp found his

1195
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:33,940
name so that he was in that in that

1196
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:38,110
circle the crazy thing

1197
01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:40,690
call it a coincidence quote not a

1198
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:43,960
coincidence when you see that Tic Tac

1199
01:00:52,850 --> 01:00:48,340
UFO video that was filmed by the f-18

1200
01:00:57,780 --> 01:00:52,860
fighter pilots back what 15 years ago

1201
01:01:00,780 --> 01:00:57,790
yeah the when the UFO starts to move

1202
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:00,790
whatever that object of a tic-tac when

1203
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:04,840
it starts to move it turns its bottom as

1204
01:01:13,610 --> 01:01:10,410
if it's propelling itself over the water

1205
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:13,620
what bob lazar described about the

1206
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:17,680
objects he saw over area 51 was that

1207
01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:22,240
they did the same thing the Navy has

1208
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:25,860
since revealed than it was testing

1209
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:29,550
saucer-shaped craft that generated an

1210
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:31,890
electromagnetic force field that

1211
01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:35,230
propelled it that's all on paper from

1212
01:01:39,930 --> 01:01:38,140
what I understand yeah right mmm paper

1213
01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:39,940
and the fun and the thing was they did

1214
01:01:45,210 --> 01:01:42,520
the same thing they turned the bottom of

1215
01:01:47,550 --> 01:01:45,220
that craft to propel them in the

1216
01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:47,560
opposite direction and I said to myself

1217
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:49,780
how would bob lazar have known about

1218
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:54,040
that unless he saw it yeah so that to me

1219
01:02:01,350 --> 01:01:56,950
adds veracity to bob lazar story well as

1220
01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:01,360
my listeners know I I have mentioned

1221
01:02:06,060 --> 01:02:02,740
many times that I'm on the fence about

1222
01:02:09,450 --> 01:02:06,070
Bob Lazar I always seem to get mail when

1223
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:09,460
I talk about it so people you let people

1224
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:12,670
age about it or either way but it's a

1225
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:16,150
it's still a fascinating story and if

1226
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:17,410
you speak too

1227
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:22,470
John we're he said he was there if you

1228
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:25,990
so that's on the one hand I mean with

1229
01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:29,050
the nine o'clock or whatever was he was

1230
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:31,240
they our object came Jeana Hoth was

1231
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:34,770
there and Bob Lazar Zechs wife was there

1232
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:40,480
and there's videotape yeah I know

1233
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:43,450
there's a video he said he tripped on

1234
01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:45,280
the tripod himself right in the middle

1235
01:02:51,860 --> 01:02:49,420
of the videotape yeah right right

1236
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:51,870
um we're gonna be taking calls in about

1237
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:54,640
15-20 minutes from now but I wanted to

1238
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,730
also look over the chat room and someone

1239
01:03:02,160 --> 01:02:59,920
asked me what your thoughts were on

1240
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:02,170
Roswell I know you wrote a book on that

1241
01:03:08,190 --> 01:03:04,630
right yeah day after Roswell day after

1242
01:03:13,530 --> 01:03:08,200
Roswell and what was the basis of that

1243
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:13,540
particular book the basis was this is

1244
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:15,970
another story that gets involved I'll

1245
01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:20,380
try to shorten it but it was this I was

1246
01:03:29,070 --> 01:03:23,320
hired by a motion picture production

1247
01:03:32,910 --> 01:03:29,080
company in Los Angeles to work with them

1248
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:32,920
as an editor editing different

1249
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:37,530
manuscripts to produce a book about the

1250
01:03:43,890 --> 01:03:41,050
troops that we left behind after various

1251
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:43,900
Wars just a real quick do you see the

1252
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:47,050
movie Patton a long time ago that's that

1253
01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:49,180
a long time ago right George C Scott's

1254
01:03:57,330 --> 01:03:53,350
patented okay there is a scene in the

1255
01:04:02,160 --> 01:03:57,340
movie when George G Scott when General

1256
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:02,170
Patton is talking to Beatle Smith

1257
01:04:09,050 --> 01:04:05,770
general deals meth and he says he was

1258
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:09,060
played by Edward Benz and he says to him

1259
01:04:15,870 --> 01:04:13,930
let me push through to the eastern

1260
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:15,880
sector of Berlin the war was now over

1261
01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:17,710
let me push through to the eastern

1262
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:19,960
sector of Berlin I'll start a war with

1263
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:22,540
those goddamn Russkies I'll start the

1264
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:25,210
war you want kick the Russkies out of

1265
01:04:32,029 --> 01:04:28,990
Germany and Berlin says no you can't do

1266
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:32,039
it and Patton was furious

1267
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:36,910
but the movie never said why Patton

1268
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:39,369
wanted to do it why would you want to

1269
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:43,049
start another war here's the back story

1270
01:04:50,430 --> 01:04:47,200
the true story when the Soviets occupied

1271
01:04:55,769 --> 01:04:50,440
when the Soviet Army occupied East

1272
01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:55,779
Berlin there were a number of units from

1273
01:05:03,269 --> 01:04:57,990
Patton's Third Army still there

1274
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:03,279
the Soviets captured them and sent them

1275
01:05:09,809 --> 01:05:05,440
back to the Soviet Union where they were

1276
01:05:12,299 --> 01:05:09,819
their identities were stolen and Soviet

1277
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:12,309
spies will reprogrammed to come back

1278
01:05:18,509 --> 01:05:15,990
into the United States as spies Wow

1279
01:05:21,870 --> 01:05:18,519
after the Korean War this comes from

1280
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:21,880
Philip Corso after the Korean War there

1281
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:25,359
were troops pilots American and Sabre

1282
01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:29,470
jet pilots who never came home the

1283
01:05:38,249 --> 01:05:33,190
people who came home which were Soviet

1284
01:05:41,999 --> 01:05:38,259
agents programmed to be saboteurs agents

1285
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,009
provocateurs that in the event of a war

1286
01:05:47,549 --> 01:05:43,599
between the United States and the Soviet

1287
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:47,559
Union they would blow up power plants

1288
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:49,690
train crossings they were basically a

1289
01:05:56,579 --> 01:05:52,380
Soviet underground in the United States

1290
01:06:03,329 --> 01:05:56,589
that's what were so said and he was

1291
01:06:06,059 --> 01:06:03,339
testifying in in Robert Dornan's POWs

1292
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,069
subcommittee so there was there were a

1293
01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:08,319
number of books that this production

1294
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:10,900
company was looking at and then all of a

1295
01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:12,930
sudden Corso pops up on the radar

1296
01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:18,700
talking about the men we left behind so

1297
01:06:23,489 --> 01:06:20,470
this production company said to me

1298
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:23,499
interview this guy Corso and let's build

1299
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:26,410
a book around him so we set up a big

1300
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:29,410
interview with Phil Corso and he starts

1301
01:06:33,989 --> 01:06:31,569
talking and he says yeah I did this

1302
01:06:36,450 --> 01:06:33,999
stuff after I was an army R&D

1303
01:06:38,609 --> 01:06:36,460
Oh he's an old army R&D Wow that would

1304
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:38,619
and we started I think I went a little

1305
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:40,090
jerk water command

1306
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:44,200
Armie R&D went yeah yeah that was your

1307
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:45,160
retirement

1308
01:06:57,590 --> 01:06:54,850
he goes well actually it was my retired

1309
01:07:00,660 --> 01:06:57,600
after that to go to the Senate Judiciary

1310
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,670
Committee where I investigated the

1311
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:03,520
Warren Commission though why Wow

1312
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:06,070
one commission and we said well how did

1313
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:08,230
you how did they pick you ladies well

1314
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:11,710
after I in army R&D I knew these centers

1315
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:13,570
because we were handling the Roswell

1316
01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:17,530
file the what file the Roswell file all

1317
01:07:22,110 --> 01:07:19,390
the debris we recovered from that

1318
01:07:25,140 --> 01:07:22,120
crashed UFO in Roswell I helped get that

1319
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:25,150
back into well that was the book well I

1320
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:28,510
mean suddenly you could hear a pin drop

1321
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:33,520
as Corso told that story of what he did

1322
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:36,610
with the Roswell files the file cabinet

1323
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:40,450
in the bottom of the Pentagon that they

1324
01:07:54,930 --> 01:07:52,020
to take the technology that we'd

1325
01:07:57,660 --> 01:07:54,940
recovered and the technology was really

1326
01:07:59,610 --> 01:07:57,670
junk you know broken parts of this

1327
01:08:03,690 --> 01:07:59,620
broken parts of that but he was able to

1328
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:03,700
take that he said with a massive budget

1329
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:06,690
from the Senate Armed Services Committee

1330
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:09,370
he was this was realized this was during

1331
01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:11,950
the Kennedy presidency he was able to

1332
01:08:24,030 --> 01:08:18,750
take that to various firms IBM Monsanto

1333
01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:24,040
Bell Labs and the army of laser

1334
01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:32,280
reverse-engineer these projects and that

1335
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:35,140
created basically the the Golden Age of

1336
01:08:39,750 --> 01:08:38,560
Technology in in the 1960s I mean that

1337
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:39,760
was the development of the integrated

1338
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:43,089
circuit the first tabletop computers

1339
01:08:46,170 --> 01:08:44,020
things like that

1340
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:46,180
and so that was the basis of the Roswell

1341
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:48,760
bug Wow and what about I've heard

1342
01:08:52,569 --> 01:08:50,710
someone say something about fiber optics

1343
01:08:54,519 --> 01:08:52,579
was that supposed to be part of that as

1344
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:54,529
one of the objects that they found they

1345
01:08:59,160 --> 01:08:56,329
found two strange objects that they

1346
01:09:02,999 --> 01:08:59,170
didn't understand one was this glass

1347
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:03,009
cable glass looking but a flex cable

1348
01:09:11,470 --> 01:09:08,480
that when they flashed the light through

1349
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:11,480
the cable it broke out of the different

1350
01:09:18,370 --> 01:09:16,159
colors on a wall and they said oh wow

1351
01:09:20,499 --> 01:09:18,380
and that became and that went to Bell

1352
01:09:24,269 --> 01:09:20,509
Labs and that became the basis for fiber

1353
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,279
optics yeah Wow

1354
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:27,199
so you're you're pretty convinced

1355
01:09:32,410 --> 01:09:30,230
yourself that these stories have you

1356
01:09:36,819 --> 01:09:32,420
know there that are they are legitimate

1357
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:36,829
no legitimate yes because one of the one

1358
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:41,449
of the pieces of evidence that Phil gave

1359
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:47,329
me was his boss's autobiography it was

1360
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:51,290
an autobiography that was published by

1361
01:09:58,089 --> 01:09:55,250
the army workout and they published it

1362
01:10:01,540 --> 01:09:58,099
was the other bacteria of an engineer in

1363
01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:01,550
the autobiography general Arthur Trudeau

1364
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:04,280
who was the head of army R&D who was a

1365
01:10:11,260 --> 01:10:06,860
former intelligence officer he ran g2

1366
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:11,270
for the army in that autobiography he

1367
01:10:20,649 --> 01:10:16,010
describes the discovery of foreign

1368
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:20,659
technology that he brought to the Senate

1369
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:22,820
Armed Services Committee to ask them for

1370
01:10:30,819 --> 01:10:27,170
a budget and Strom Thurmond who was then

1371
01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:30,829
the head of that committee said you know

1372
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:34,550
what we will give you a budget to

1373
01:10:40,209 --> 01:10:38,000
develop this technology but you can

1374
01:10:42,370 --> 01:10:40,219
never say it didn't come from the United

1375
01:10:45,010 --> 01:10:42,380
States you have to bring the technology

1376
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:45,020
to the firms that are already working on

1377
01:10:50,890 --> 01:10:48,800
it and the nickname they gave to it to

1378
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:50,900
these pieces of technology they called

1379
01:10:59,500 --> 01:10:56,840
them n AI H's NIH s-mint not invented

1380
01:11:03,760 --> 01:10:59,510
here and Trudeau tells the entire story

1381
01:11:05,020 --> 01:11:03,770
the Corso told anybody could get that

1382
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:05,030
book by the way from the Army War

1383
01:11:12,189 --> 01:11:06,070
College

1384
01:11:15,129 --> 01:11:12,199
interesting Wow did the you know a lot

1385
01:11:18,609 --> 01:11:15,139
of people wonder how we have grown so

1386
01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:18,619
fast in technology in these you know so

1387
01:11:23,979 --> 01:11:21,969
many years you know it just it does seem

1388
01:11:26,049 --> 01:11:23,989
it doesn't want to make you shake your

1389
01:11:28,179 --> 01:11:26,059
head and just when you look at how fast

1390
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,189
technology is growing currently and has

1391
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:30,800
grown well of course it's story of

1392
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:35,199
course I told this story that in 1947

1393
01:11:42,939 --> 01:11:39,409
Harry Truman when he learned of the

1394
01:11:48,759 --> 01:11:42,949
crash at Roswell now folks if you look

1395
01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:48,769
for Harry Truman and UFOs on the

1396
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:52,369
internet what you will find is the

1397
01:11:58,199 --> 01:11:56,090
President Truman on YouTube while he

1398
01:12:02,529 --> 01:11:58,209
wasn't on YouTube he was on television

1399
01:12:05,379 --> 01:12:02,539
saying these are flying saucers and we

1400
01:12:09,939 --> 01:12:05,389
know what they are so the first

1401
01:12:13,870 --> 01:12:09,949
disclosure of UFOs besides the roswell

1402
01:12:15,909 --> 01:12:13,880
disclosure in 47 in the newspapers was

1403
01:12:18,429 --> 01:12:15,919
Harry Truman in 1950 saying yeah these

1404
01:12:23,049 --> 01:12:18,439
are flying saucers the President of the

1405
01:12:24,669 --> 01:12:23,059
United States said that so don't tell me

1406
01:12:28,839 --> 01:12:24,679
there was no disclosure there was

1407
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:28,849
disclosure it built it's been a long

1408
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:30,260
time since you and I have actually

1409
01:12:35,169 --> 01:12:33,050
talked well it's not really that long

1410
01:12:38,049 --> 01:12:35,179
but a lot has happened I should say a

1411
01:12:41,589 --> 01:12:38,059
year basically yeah but I mean so much

1412
01:12:45,909 --> 01:12:41,599
has happened you know to since that

1413
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:45,919
article came out and you know in 2017

1414
01:12:53,409 --> 01:12:51,199
and just the overall thought of you know

1415
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:53,419
the whole subject is being taking taken

1416
01:13:01,029 --> 01:12:57,110
much more seriously and what are your

1417
01:13:03,549 --> 01:13:01,039
your thoughts on say to the stars and

1418
01:13:06,429 --> 01:13:03,559
all the people involved in that and and

1419
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:06,439
and where they're trying to go I don't

1420
01:13:10,179 --> 01:13:08,150
think there's a cover-up here but I do

1421
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:10,189
think they're raising money so that's on

1422
01:13:15,389 --> 01:13:12,169
the one hand but on the other hand what

1423
01:13:20,110 --> 01:13:15,399
I think what I think the backstory is

1424
01:13:26,230 --> 01:13:20,120
that we've developed exotic fly

1425
01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:26,240
technology's using forms of physics that

1426
01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:29,080
were just not revealing to the world why

1427
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:32,750
because where did we get them from see I

1428
01:13:40,030 --> 01:13:35,480
think what's happening is that what

1429
01:13:46,570 --> 01:13:40,040
Corso said all the way back in the

1430
01:13:48,970 --> 01:13:46,580
1990's actually is happened then and is

1431
01:13:51,190 --> 01:13:48,980
happening now we're reverse engineering

1432
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:51,200
and I have heard from someone I know

1433
01:13:59,050 --> 01:13:54,530
some of the people who worked on this

1434
01:14:04,210 --> 01:13:59,060
and so my theory is and it's a theory

1435
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:04,220
that there is a much deeper much darker

1436
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,400
much more horrible explanation behind

1437
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:09,920
all this not that we're a slave race or

1438
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,810
were being dominated by robots or

1439
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:13,280
something I mean that's going to happen

1440
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:17,690
but not this century but I believe that

1441
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:22,010
there is an aspect of human history and

1442
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:24,590
development the ancient alien theory

1443
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:31,040
that we were brought here probably his

1444
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:35,360
viruses oh when the earth was

1445
01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:40,400
terraformed by this species which by the

1446
01:14:46,060 --> 01:14:42,700
way the species is probably us and

1447
01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:46,070
because they made us in their own image

1448
01:14:55,210 --> 01:14:51,830
and that we and that that's one of the

1449
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:55,220
big secrets that because when I did the

1450
01:15:05,790 --> 01:14:58,250
book on Mickey Rooney back what eight

1451
01:15:12,130 --> 01:15:05,800
years ago Mickey Rooney's 8th wife was

1452
01:15:16,690 --> 01:15:12,140
her father her father worked for Ben

1453
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:16,700
rich at skunk works and her father was

1454
01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:20,810
at Roswell and her father said to his

1455
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:26,990
children the UFO FILES exist

1456
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:31,760
the government has files on UFOs if they

1457
01:15:38,430 --> 01:15:34,840
release these files

1458
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:38,440
governments and religions would fall

1459
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:42,560
that's what he said and you know after I

1460
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:44,890
got off the floor laughing

1461
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:48,610
his daughter Mickey Rooney's 8th wife

1462
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:52,239
said you know what's funny

1463
01:16:00,400 --> 01:15:57,290
when we were kids and she's in her

1464
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:00,410
eighties when we were kids we were

1465
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:02,690
sitting at a restaurant in California

1466
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:07,550
and then rich walked over to my father's

1467
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:10,610
table I know he was my father introduced

1468
01:16:20,590 --> 01:16:16,489
them and he shook he stood up and shook

1469
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:20,600
my father's hand and said to the

1470
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:24,560
children said to us this man knows more

1471
01:16:30,340 --> 01:16:28,360
secrets he can never tell and what way

1472
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:30,350
yeah I believe it

1473
01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:33,679
well hey one of the things I've given

1474
01:16:37,930 --> 01:16:35,300
this a lot of thought about you know the

1475
01:16:40,330 --> 01:16:37,940
ancient times and you know the

1476
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:40,340
possibility that perhaps we were seeded

1477
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:42,650
here but then it always comes to the

1478
01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:44,510
question always comes up in my mind if

1479
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:48,670
that's the case then why wouldn't we

1480
01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:52,370
have hung on to the technology that got

1481
01:16:58,930 --> 01:16:56,020
us here why be starting all over again

1482
01:17:02,680 --> 01:16:58,940
great question yeah what's your thoughts

1483
01:17:10,770 --> 01:17:02,690
on that here's what we were unseated as

1484
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:10,780
human beings we were seeded as viruses

1485
01:17:17,490 --> 01:17:14,320
um what are your thoughts about this um

1486
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:17,500
remember that the asteroid that was

1487
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:19,730
shooting through our solar system called

1488
01:17:26,050 --> 01:17:22,550
Oh mom oh yeah yeah okay what do you

1489
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:26,060
think that was what's your theory

1490
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:29,449
I didn't really get into thinking up a

1491
01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:31,550
theory for that in particular I know

1492
01:17:37,169 --> 01:17:34,150
that it had so many bizarre

1493
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:37,179
characteristics its speed projectory

1494
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:42,110
trajectory and the object shaped itself

1495
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:44,390
you know the usually option it was but

1496
01:17:48,130 --> 01:17:46,010
you can see it on camera right here yeah

1497
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:48,140
it's it's

1498
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:51,050
rotating this way right it's spinning

1499
01:18:01,480 --> 01:17:56,510
this way but it's also doing this yeah

1500
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:01,490
really also doing this or at the same

1501
01:18:09,190 --> 01:18:04,570
time what does that remind you of a

1502
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:09,200
baton I don't know mind you you've seen

1503
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:16,120
you driving through the suburbs on a hot

1504
01:18:21,610 --> 01:18:16,910
summer day

1505
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:21,620
what do you see no I can't I can't I'm

1506
01:18:24,820 --> 01:18:24,170
probably gonna sitting on a lawn what do

1507
01:18:30,580 --> 01:18:24,830
you see

1508
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:30,590
sitting on a lawn something rotating

1509
01:18:36,010 --> 01:18:33,110
like this spinning like this what do you

1510
01:18:39,730 --> 01:18:36,020
see I don't know you got me bill a loo a

1511
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:39,740
sprinkler okay right all right what's

1512
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:43,730
sprinkling hole exceeding one thing that

1513
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:47,050
can live in space by going dormant Oh

1514
01:18:55,780 --> 01:18:50,410
like bacteria or something right yes

1515
01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:55,790
viruses hmm it's terraforming imagine

1516
01:19:05,290 --> 01:19:00,520
you are an alien race us hmm

1517
01:19:08,380 --> 01:19:05,300
million years in the past and you are

1518
01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:08,390
seeding you are it's what we're gonna be

1519
01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:11,320
doing you're terraforming planets

1520
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:16,030
what do you terraform them with viruses

1521
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:19,730
when they find a hospitable home they

1522
01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:23,690
flourish they grow life starts single

1523
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:26,450
cells single cells that undergo mitosis

1524
01:19:31,690 --> 01:19:29,330
and split and go into organisms

1525
01:19:34,510 --> 01:19:31,700
organisms that multiply with themselves

1526
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:34,520
based on carbon or silicon and become

1527
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:42,430
life forms in other words we and what if

1528
01:19:52,930 --> 01:19:47,090
our conception of reality our perception

1529
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:52,940
of the world is fed by viruses n'yar

1530
01:19:59,260 --> 01:19:56,410
virus colonies bacteria colonies

1531
01:20:01,109 --> 01:19:59,270
colonies of germs not that they're

1532
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:01,119
thinking about um

1533
01:20:05,820 --> 01:20:02,409
that's what they're thinking about

1534
01:20:10,919 --> 01:20:05,830
things like the relativity theory but

1535
01:20:16,649 --> 01:20:10,929
it's that collective now what if that's

1536
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:16,659
the case and what if um 250,000 years

1537
01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:21,040
ago human beings were at the point of

1538
01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:25,480
extinction there were only there were

1539
01:20:30,270 --> 01:20:28,020
less than a hundred breeding pairs of

1540
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:30,280
human beings on the planet

1541
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:33,820
a hundred breeding pairs how do you

1542
01:20:41,129 --> 01:20:37,840
survive but yet a number of really

1543
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:41,139
strange things happened one the

1544
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:45,280
development of tools to the management

1545
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:50,730
of fire three the development of

1546
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:56,820
language when you have tools when tools

1547
01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:00,159
when you have tools enable you to hunt

1548
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:02,980
for food and gather food when you have

1549
01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:06,250
fire that means that you don't have to

1550
01:21:14,459 --> 01:21:09,659
be tearing it live flesh with your teeth

1551
01:21:19,310 --> 01:21:14,469
you cook it and it becomes soft what

1552
01:21:23,220 --> 01:21:19,320
happens now you can chew it human beings

1553
01:21:26,129 --> 01:21:23,230
analyze a human beings den tation with

1554
01:21:30,109 --> 01:21:26,139
the den tation of a dog or a cat or any

1555
01:21:33,870 --> 01:21:30,119
animal that's an that's a carnivore and

1556
01:21:36,540 --> 01:21:33,880
what do you see a whole different type

1557
01:21:41,459 --> 01:21:36,550
of temptation human beings don't have

1558
01:21:45,359 --> 01:21:41,469
long fang-like um canine teeth we don't

1559
01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:45,369
have sharp teeth mmm your teeth look at

1560
01:21:52,770 --> 01:21:48,520
that shark they they're made for

1561
01:21:58,459 --> 01:21:52,780
grinding you're not tearing what do you

1562
01:22:04,520 --> 01:21:58,469
grind vegetables human beings are

1563
01:22:07,859 --> 01:22:04,530
biological herbivores not carnivores but

1564
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:07,869
the result was that with language with

1565
01:22:12,689 --> 01:22:11,050
fire that enabled civilization that

1566
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:12,699
enabled human beings to find shelter

1567
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:14,250
from their own predators

1568
01:22:18,620 --> 01:22:15,840
not the highest folks on the food chain

1569
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:18,630
let's face it you know ask ask the great

1570
01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:23,910
white sharks off Cape Cod so so so that

1571
01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:26,280
enabled human beings to form the one

1572
01:22:36,140 --> 01:22:29,670
thing that enabled us to flourish the

1573
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,150
one single thing civilization right

1574
01:22:40,940 --> 01:22:39,120
I mean who said that Hillary Clinton

1575
01:22:44,450 --> 01:22:40,950
we're stronger together that's the point

1576
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:44,460
that's how human being survived my

1577
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:48,840
theory is that we that interventions

1578
01:22:56,630 --> 01:22:51,510
have taken place over the course of

1579
01:23:02,450 --> 01:22:56,640
human development so that our race we

1580
01:23:05,170 --> 01:23:02,460
for a million years ago were terraformed

1581
01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:05,180
on this planet and that's how that

1582
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:07,670
civilization spread score panspermia

1583
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,370
right right I've all I've often wondered

1584
01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:13,920
I know this is way off the UFO top to

1585
01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:15,950
pedis interesting I've often wondered

1586
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:21,300
how human silver civilization has made

1587
01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:23,040
it through ice ages I mean you're

1588
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:25,380
talking about 450,000 years ago

1589
01:23:31,970 --> 01:23:27,450
there are several ice ages in that time

1590
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:31,980
that's right we huddled in caves and we

1591
01:23:38,150 --> 01:23:35,550
basically the ice ages shrunk us to

1592
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:38,160
basically a hundred breeding pairs so we

1593
01:23:45,230 --> 01:23:40,170
almost went extinct during the ice ages

1594
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:45,240
and we are now looking at seriously the

1595
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:48,330
sixth extinction of life on planet Earth

1596
01:23:54,980 --> 01:23:52,320
my grandchildren will see the end of

1597
01:23:59,840 --> 01:23:54,990
this century we'll see the destruction

1598
01:24:02,170 --> 01:23:59,850
of coastal cities we'll see unless we

1599
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,180
reforest the planet

1600
01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:05,040
we'll see this huge amount of carbon

1601
01:24:11,870 --> 01:24:07,950
dioxide I mean we the planet will burn

1602
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:11,880
unless we find a way not just to stop it

1603
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:14,490
but I think we're at the stage now of

1604
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,640
triage what we do for our coastal cities

1605
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:21,120
how do you protect Hurricane sandy what

1606
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:23,340
happened in hurricane sandy do you know

1607
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:24,150
that

1608
01:24:31,070 --> 01:24:27,430
lower Manhattan completely flooded

1609
01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:31,080
you but the subways were knocked out

1610
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:35,260
Florida routinely floods now right yeah

1611
01:24:41,010 --> 01:24:37,300
right somebody drops a glass of water

1612
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:41,020
water comes pouring through the pouring

1613
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:43,840
through the a drainage system onto the

1614
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:46,660
streets of Miami that's what's going on

1615
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:50,830
we're seeing it now we don't have any

1616
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:53,440
means of triage because we're still

1617
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:56,050
denying it that's right

1618
01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:57,780
you can't fix something if you deny it

1619
01:25:03,930 --> 01:25:00,760
right it's not there you know it's like

1620
01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:03,940
what Mohammed Ali said I float like a

1621
01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:05,560
butterfly and sting like a bee because

1622
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,540
the eye because the hands can't hit what

1623
01:25:11,550 --> 01:25:10,000
the eyes can't see yeah what's happening

1624
01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:11,560
with climate change you don't believe it

1625
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:14,500
you can't see it you're not gonna treat

1626
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:17,890
it yeah yeah I wonder how bad it has to

1627
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:22,170
get you know and this kind of actually

1628
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:25,570
segues into a lot of times you have

1629
01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:29,290
heard about you know a message that

1630
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:31,720
we've had over the years the aerial

1631
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:34,450
school incident for one where the kids

1632
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:36,610
felt as though they received a message

1633
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,290
that we have to take care of the planet

1634
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:40,960
you know those back in the 1990's that

1635
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:43,150
is repeated repeated the homes of Bob

1636
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:46,870
Williamson insure yeah and and by the

1637
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:49,540
way I was speaking with Randy Nickerson

1638
01:25:55,650 --> 01:25:52,090
that film is all ready to go he's just

1639
01:25:58,650 --> 01:25:55,660
looking for you know some way to present

1640
01:26:00,360 --> 01:25:58,660
it he's working on that right now but

1641
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:00,370
that film is completely wrapped and

1642
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:03,850
ready to go so the aerial phenomenon

1643
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:05,650
that's called lynn should be out by the

1644
01:26:11,970 --> 01:26:09,970
indy this year hopefully but that'll

1645
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:11,980
really jazz up the field a little bit

1646
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:15,310
right right and james fox movie same

1647
01:26:22,980 --> 01:26:20,350
same deal those are gonna be out so do

1648
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:22,990
you think that you know there's really

1649
01:26:28,830 --> 01:26:24,610
validity I mean do you think those

1650
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:28,840
messages were you know actually like you

1651
01:26:33,450 --> 01:26:30,370
you think you were at the point of it's

1652
01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:33,460
probably too late and do you think those

1653
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:35,980
messages that people were talking about

1654
01:26:41,370 --> 01:26:39,420
all these years up were really like

1655
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:41,380
do-or-die type of

1656
01:26:44,370 --> 01:26:43,630
well yeah because look we didn't get

1657
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:44,380
here overnight

1658
01:26:55,169 --> 01:26:51,489
okay the human if you look at what

1659
01:26:59,220 --> 01:26:55,179
happened with that ice ages before and

1660
01:27:04,290 --> 01:26:59,230
we've had hot ages before we know that

1661
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:04,300
and Eartha survived human beings almost

1662
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:08,260
went extinct dinosaurs went extinct so

1663
01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:12,159
we've been through extinctions as the

1664
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,260
result of climate change

1665
01:27:19,919 --> 01:27:16,960
obviously the pounding of meteors major

1666
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:19,929
volcanoes all that's true but also

1667
01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:23,400
climate change the difference from the

1668
01:27:39,419 --> 01:27:31,420
1700s is that human civilization created

1669
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:39,429
a new element that began to destroy the

1670
01:27:45,689 --> 01:27:41,920
Earth's atmosphere by overloading it

1671
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:45,699
with carbon human civilization the

1672
01:27:53,010 --> 01:27:49,570
things one is industrialization the age

1673
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:53,020
of Industry actually began in the late

1674
01:28:01,859 --> 01:27:57,210
in the 17th century in in the late 1600s

1675
01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:01,869
so that by the 18th century but we were

1676
01:28:07,229 --> 01:28:05,020
in the throes of steam we were

1677
01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:07,239
developing steam engines we were

1678
01:28:14,330 --> 01:28:11,380
developing machines that would throw

1679
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:14,340
belching coal out into the atmosphere so

1680
01:28:20,569 --> 01:28:16,860
that was one the age of

1681
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:20,579
industrialization 2 is the age of

1682
01:28:27,569 --> 01:28:23,170
urbanization we've had cities before I

1683
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:27,579
Rome Athens Sparta but never cities as

1684
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:32,730
hubs as overpopulated hubs

1685
01:28:39,959 --> 01:28:37,050
spewing waste materials into the air so

1686
01:28:44,490 --> 01:28:39,969
industrialization and urbanization and

1687
01:28:46,919 --> 01:28:44,500
of course overpopulation there are we

1688
01:28:50,459 --> 01:28:46,929
are approaching eight billion people on

1689
01:28:55,130 --> 01:28:50,469
the surface of this planet earth cannot

1690
01:28:59,580 --> 01:28:55,140
support ten million people so a

1691
01:29:02,010 --> 01:28:59,590
naturally human beings are the

1692
01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:02,020
reproduction of human beings is slowing

1693
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:04,120
down it's almost like fish in a fish

1694
01:29:07,290 --> 01:29:04,960
tank right

1695
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:07,300
if the fish tank is too crowded fish

1696
01:29:13,020 --> 01:29:10,270
don't grow fish die off sooner and fish

1697
01:29:16,050 --> 01:29:13,030
don't reproduce well life is life right

1698
01:29:19,290 --> 01:29:16,060
parts is parts so human beings are much

1699
01:29:20,910 --> 01:29:19,300
the same way so what were so that is

1700
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:20,920
what we're seeing so we're seeing this

1701
01:29:26,459 --> 01:29:24,610
reversal now of population because the

1702
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:26,469
planet cannot support this number of

1703
01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:30,610
people some urbanisation overpopulation

1704
01:29:37,169 --> 01:29:34,300
industrialization the three factors that

1705
01:29:41,610 --> 01:29:37,179
didn't exist in all the prior ice ages

1706
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:41,620
and global warming's now exist so it's

1707
01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:44,440
not as though we caused this right

1708
01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:46,360
because that's the big argument from all

1709
01:29:51,570 --> 01:29:48,820
the industrial folks Oh human beings

1710
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:51,580
don't post climate change we don't cause

1711
01:29:57,540 --> 01:29:53,770
it there are natural cycles for example

1712
01:30:00,780 --> 01:29:57,550
the earth wobbles on its axis normally

1713
01:30:02,939 --> 01:30:00,790
the the North Pole ships centimeters

1714
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:02,949
every year let's change now it's

1715
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:06,130
shifting meters that means the angle of

1716
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:08,050
the Sun hitting the earth is a little

1717
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,090
different that's going to change the the

1718
01:30:15,870 --> 01:30:13,120
the progress of the seasons it's not

1719
01:30:20,490 --> 01:30:15,880
just earth that's undergoing climate

1720
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:20,500
change our solar system is crossing the

1721
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:24,400
plane of the galaxy that's going to have

1722
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:28,050
some effect so what you're seeing is

1723
01:30:36,330 --> 01:30:33,280
again a natural cycle but exacerbated to

1724
01:30:38,370 --> 01:30:36,340
an almost lethal level by human

1725
01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:38,380
civilization industrialization

1726
01:30:45,870 --> 01:30:42,070
overpopulation hmm Wow

1727
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:45,880
and we're sort of in a extinction event

1728
01:30:50,910 --> 01:30:48,670
right now I mean there's I think the

1729
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:50,920
level of extinction is extremely high

1730
01:30:55,950 --> 01:30:53,920
something like a few dozen species a day

1731
01:30:57,570 --> 01:30:55,960
or something like that or what's right a

1732
01:31:00,840 --> 01:30:57,580
few dozen species a day

1733
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:00,850
um and then what happens is the collapse

1734
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:03,690
of one species along the food chain

1735
01:31:08,130 --> 01:31:05,890
affects others be sure

1736
01:31:11,130 --> 01:31:08,140
so if plankton and krill

1737
01:31:13,940 --> 01:31:11,140
our dining that effects seafood life

1738
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:13,950
that's really serious overfishing

1739
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:17,050
depletes the fish I mean when you

1740
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:18,850
realize it it's almost like we're

1741
01:31:23,850 --> 01:31:21,790
committing environmental suicide so

1742
01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:23,860
that's one because chemical wastes are

1743
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:25,480
flowing into the waters garbage is

1744
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:27,370
flowing into the waters plastic is I'm

1745
01:31:32,430 --> 01:31:28,870
one of the environmental commissioners

1746
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:32,440
for my Township and we're gonna ban

1747
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:35,140
plastic bags they're everywhere

1748
01:31:40,140 --> 01:31:37,840
yeah why oh my daughter was in a race a

1749
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:40,150
paddleboard race on the East River and

1750
01:31:44,910 --> 01:31:41,920
what did the paddle boarders have to

1751
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,920
avoid plastic I know I heard there's

1752
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:46,960
something like this a hundred billions

1753
01:31:51,570 --> 01:31:49,810
plastic straws exactly hey Bill DeBlasio

1754
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:51,580
you're running for mayor clean the

1755
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:55,090
goddamn East River up we have a we have

1756
01:31:59,400 --> 01:31:56,560
a caller we have a caller on the line

1757
01:32:01,890 --> 01:31:59,410
bill so caller what's your first name

1758
01:32:04,590 --> 01:32:01,900
where you calling from hi my name is

1759
01:32:05,940 --> 01:32:04,600
even calling from organ oh hey Steven

1760
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:05,950
we have another one trying to call in

1761
01:32:10,230 --> 01:32:08,170
we'll take your call right now instead

1762
01:32:15,150 --> 01:32:10,240
so now you have a question for our guest

1763
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:15,160
tonight yeah bill don't said we didn't

1764
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:18,330
cause climate change but 97% of

1765
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:22,000
climatologist have tied it directly to

1766
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:25,690
the carbon dioxide level I just said

1767
01:32:30,150 --> 01:32:28,270
your absolute you mean when you say

1768
01:32:32,730 --> 01:32:30,160
things like we didn't cause it

1769
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:32,740
what the hell does that mean here's what

1770
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:35,290
it means that climate change has

1771
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:37,270
happened ever since there was a planet

1772
01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:41,050
Earth ever since we had a climate we've

1773
01:32:46,530 --> 01:32:43,750
gone through ice ages and we've gone

1774
01:32:50,370 --> 01:32:46,540
through warming periods the difference

1775
01:32:51,650 --> 01:32:50,380
now is it may be human beings didn't

1776
01:32:56,010 --> 01:32:51,660
cause it

1777
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:56,020
but what human beings did was we

1778
01:33:02,640 --> 01:32:59,650
actually triggered it we triggered a

1779
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:02,650
natural cycle and then made it worse and

1780
01:33:09,690 --> 01:33:05,530
wait a minute didn't we didn't weed down

1781
01:33:11,730 --> 01:33:09,700
the carbon dioxide yes that's exactly

1782
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:11,740
though so what so I guess I don't

1783
01:33:18,330 --> 01:33:16,450
understand your your the way Jose oh man

1784
01:33:21,870 --> 01:33:18,340
to hear what you're trying to say is we

1785
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,880
didn't cause it but we did it right

1786
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:23,440
and here's what I mean here's what I

1787
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:25,449
mean okay let's just take one sip okay

1788
01:33:31,229 --> 01:33:28,210
let's take one simple form of climate

1789
01:33:34,729 --> 01:33:31,239
change which happens apt absent any

1790
01:33:40,830 --> 01:33:34,739
human intervention okay

1791
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:40,840
during a chilling cycle a cold cycle the

1792
01:33:45,180 --> 01:33:43,330
glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctica

1793
01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:45,190
grow okay

1794
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:49,540
they grow that changes the air currents

1795
01:33:58,620 --> 01:33:56,170
the whole earth chills as it chills cold

1796
01:34:02,160 --> 01:33:58,630
water drops to the bottom and replaces

1797
01:34:04,860 --> 01:34:02,170
warmer water that warmer water then

1798
01:34:08,459 --> 01:34:04,870
flows in currents I'm just getting back

1799
01:34:10,830 --> 01:34:08,469
to what Adam at a primeval planet okay

1800
01:34:15,330 --> 01:34:10,840
so you're going through warming and cold

1801
01:34:20,430 --> 01:34:15,340
cycles but because Earth was heavily

1802
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:20,440
forested the trees the plants absorb the

1803
01:34:27,060 --> 01:34:24,010
carbon dioxide and spew out oxygen so

1804
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:27,070
there's a normal cycle of climate change

1805
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:33,520
and the recycling of carbon dioxide when

1806
01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:36,250
map when the dogs are I'm saying when

1807
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:37,960
they're not win it when NASA come

1808
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:41,320
forward and said we're doing this you

1809
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:43,360
know we are doing this you're not

1810
01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:45,520
listening

1811
01:34:52,500 --> 01:34:49,150
you take a normal cycle and then you

1812
01:34:55,979 --> 01:34:52,510
kick it through changing the face of the

1813
01:34:58,050 --> 01:34:55,989
planet and suddenly what's been a normal

1814
01:35:01,399 --> 01:34:58,060
cycle for millions hundreds of millions

1815
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:01,409
of years now becomes an extinction event

1816
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:05,199
human beings made what was a normal

1817
01:35:09,810 --> 01:35:07,150
cycle the flowing of currents in the

1818
01:35:12,540 --> 01:35:09,820
ocean the melting and the warming and

1819
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:12,550
then refreezing of the Arctic we took

1820
01:35:19,979 --> 01:35:16,800
that through our industrialization

1821
01:35:22,350 --> 01:35:19,989
overpopulation and urbanization we took

1822
01:35:24,990 --> 01:35:22,360
that and turned it into a killing event

1823
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:25,000
from a natural event Steve I don't think

1824
01:35:29,850 --> 01:35:27,610
I don't think Bill is he's not a climate

1825
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:29,860
change denier and any means I think I

1826
01:35:34,169 --> 01:35:31,570
think that's the what you're taking

1827
01:35:35,729 --> 01:35:34,179
Steve I don't I don't believe that what

1828
01:35:38,970 --> 01:35:35,739
when he's dead

1829
01:35:41,310 --> 01:35:38,980
like I don't we didn't cause it

1830
01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:41,320
he sounds like George Noory where he's

1831
01:35:47,069 --> 01:35:43,300
just looking for any kind of twisted

1832
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,079
explanation the problem the problem with

1833
01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:50,320
that really pacifist take on that I mean

1834
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:52,260
we don't have to take any responsibility

1835
01:35:58,020 --> 01:35:55,210
you're extrapolating something that

1836
01:36:00,359 --> 01:35:58,030
doesn't exist okay what you're saying is

1837
01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:00,369
because I'm saying we've had climate

1838
01:36:09,979 --> 01:36:02,590
change on this planet since we had a

1839
01:36:12,989 --> 01:36:09,989
planet that Captain Obvious everybody

1840
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:12,999
saying it is Captain Obvious we've had

1841
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:16,449
climate change normal climate change

1842
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:19,840
heating and freezing for hundreds of

1843
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:22,480
millions of years but what I'm saying

1844
01:36:29,069 --> 01:36:25,690
now that ever since the seventh the 18th

1845
01:36:32,759 --> 01:36:29,079
century what we have done to the surface

1846
01:36:35,939 --> 01:36:32,769
of the planet has taken a natural cause

1847
01:36:39,180 --> 01:36:35,949
of events warming and cooling and turned

1848
01:36:41,879 --> 01:36:39,190
it into a lethal extinction event of the

1849
01:36:44,459 --> 01:36:41,889
whole planet so that I did take

1850
01:36:47,489 --> 01:36:44,469
exception to the phrase we didn't cause

1851
01:36:49,529 --> 01:36:47,499
this young because we are Junior College

1852
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:49,539
semantics instead of looking at the

1853
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:52,239
science actually when you say something

1854
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:54,249
like we didn't cause this

1855
01:37:02,520 --> 01:36:58,960
that's pretty declarative yeah we didn't

1856
01:37:05,489 --> 01:37:02,530
create climate change what we did was we

1857
01:37:09,709 --> 01:37:05,499
took a natural cycle of events and

1858
01:37:12,089 --> 01:37:09,719
through our presence on the planet

1859
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:12,099
population industrialization and

1860
01:37:26,669 --> 01:37:20,230
urbanization we turned what okay he you

1861
01:37:29,069 --> 01:37:26,679
know what I'm saying we the danger of

1862
01:37:33,629 --> 01:37:29,079
thing we're not responsible we didn't

1863
01:37:36,419 --> 01:37:33,639
cause don't focus on the words focus on

1864
01:37:38,910 --> 01:37:36,429
this mess yeah I get that don't focus on

1865
01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:38,920
the words but you said alright well

1866
01:37:44,339 --> 01:37:41,260
that's I think he made it pretty clear

1867
01:37:45,779 --> 01:37:44,349
but thanks for the call and I have

1868
01:37:48,689 --> 01:37:45,789
another I have another caller on the

1869
01:37:49,799 --> 01:37:48,699
line caller what's your what's your name

1870
01:37:54,330 --> 01:37:49,809
and where are you calling from

1871
01:37:56,279 --> 01:37:54,340
my name's Kim hiding from Alberta Canada

1872
01:38:00,209 --> 01:37:56,289
all right welcome to the show you have a

1873
01:38:02,279 --> 01:38:00,219
question for our guest just no comment -

1874
01:38:03,629 --> 01:38:02,289
bill I am we really miss you out west

1875
01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:03,639
here bill I know you're gonna get your

1876
01:38:12,689 --> 01:38:06,400
passport one of these days my dashboard

1877
01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:12,699
I do hey we don't have climate change Oh

1878
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:18,779
all we got is cold I don't know what

1879
01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:20,650
climate change is even I wish we had it

1880
01:38:25,010 --> 01:38:22,780
because man it would sure be nice if it

1881
01:38:31,140 --> 01:38:25,020
got warm here again where do you live

1882
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:31,150
Albert Albert I mean I just spoke to

1883
01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:35,710
somebody who said he spent his part of

1884
01:38:42,569 --> 01:38:39,460
his late July and August vacation up in

1885
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:42,579
the Northern Peninsula of Michigan and I

1886
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:44,650
said wow and he said yeah I froze my

1887
01:38:54,060 --> 01:38:51,070
butt off you guys get some cold weather

1888
01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:54,070
I mean us Canadians and them sound like

1889
01:38:57,540 --> 01:38:55,480
four tough but then I look at the

1890
01:39:00,029 --> 01:38:57,550
temperatures down in some parts of the

1891
01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:00,039
USA especially Colorado early in the

1892
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:02,590
year and I mean it's like snowing and

1893
01:39:07,649 --> 01:39:04,630
we're still 20 degrees and it's getting

1894
01:39:10,649 --> 01:39:07,659
really cold there but you know climate

1895
01:39:13,770 --> 01:39:10,659
change I mean I I'm I heard you kind of

1896
01:39:17,580 --> 01:39:13,780
get in a tough time there bill all I was

1897
01:39:21,870 --> 01:39:17,590
saying was this one deniers and you've

1898
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:21,880
got climate change scientists so deniers

1899
01:39:27,209 --> 01:39:24,550
and scientists but they're talking past

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01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:27,219
each other see that is part of what I

1901
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:28,449
believe this is something that Bill

1902
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:31,090
Clinton said years ago - that the worst

1903
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:34,719
arguments happen when people talk past

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01:39:39,569 --> 01:39:37,690
each other so to say that somehow human

1905
01:39:41,069 --> 01:39:39,579
beings that there was never climate

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01:39:44,279 --> 01:39:41,079
change on the planet until there were

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01:39:47,790 --> 01:39:44,289
human beings is false because the change

1908
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:47,800
on the planet but to say that for the

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01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:50,590
climate to change as an extinction event

1910
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:54,250
that's us that's all on humans all on

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01:39:57,899 --> 01:39:55,119
humanity

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01:40:00,600 --> 01:39:57,909
they are the terrible effects of the

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01:40:02,850 --> 01:40:00,610
terrible effects were not felt on this

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01:40:03,660 --> 01:40:02,860
planet because after all if there are no

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01:40:05,310 --> 01:40:03,670
human being

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01:40:07,260 --> 01:40:05,320
on the platter and the dinosaurs all

1917
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:07,270
drop dead in a certain thing fine who's

1918
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:08,770
gonna say that it was climate change

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01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:11,199
what the brontosaurus is saying hey

1920
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:13,570
you're not off the call no it's

1921
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,480
happiness of years the difference is

1922
01:40:24,419 --> 01:40:19,199
we're here that's the difference

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01:40:26,910 --> 01:40:24,429
unfortunately we are hang on just one

1924
01:40:29,820 --> 01:40:26,920
second we have another caller that just

1925
01:40:31,860 --> 01:40:29,830
called in please mute your anyone that

1926
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:31,870
calls and needs to mute their media

1927
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:35,170
device please so don't you did you have

1928
01:40:39,150 --> 01:40:37,060
any question or you just wanted to make

1929
01:40:40,860 --> 01:40:39,160
that statement I just want to make a

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01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:40,870
statement just say Thank You Martin I

1931
01:40:43,740 --> 01:40:42,340
know you've been on holidays I know I

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01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:43,750
send you a couple emails here and there

1933
01:40:49,140 --> 01:40:46,449
yeah I really appreciate I really

1934
01:40:50,910 --> 01:40:49,150
appreciate us guys out here your efforts

1935
01:40:52,590 --> 01:40:50,920
on doing these interviews I know

1936
01:40:54,510 --> 01:40:52,600
sometimes they're very difficult and I

1937
01:40:57,209 --> 01:40:54,520
can only imagine because you're a busy

1938
01:41:00,780 --> 01:40:57,219
guy and bill I mean we live love yeah I

1939
01:41:08,850 --> 01:41:00,790
mean I know West you can stay at my

1940
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:08,860
house come back I love to go back to

1941
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:11,410
town or back when I was a still a

1942
01:41:16,590 --> 01:41:14,290
graduate student we would go to

1943
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:16,600
conferences up in Canada and the

1944
01:41:21,380 --> 01:41:18,489
striking thing was it would be like Oh a

1945
01:41:23,729 --> 01:41:21,390
very pleasant 60 degrees in New Jersey

1946
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:23,739
and that all the sudden you encounter

1947
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:25,090
it's like God how do these people live

1948
01:41:31,100 --> 01:41:29,050
in the snow all right well you take care

1949
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:31,110
skiing

1950
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:35,890
thanks guys keep it up I hate it all

1951
01:41:38,580 --> 01:41:37,210
right we have another caller and though

1952
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,590
I call her your first name where are you

1953
01:41:43,860 --> 01:41:40,860
calling from

1954
01:41:45,150 --> 01:41:43,870
my name is Ruffalo I'm calling you from

1955
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:45,160
Springfield Oregon

1956
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:47,110
hey Russell welcome to the show you have

1957
01:41:54,270 --> 01:41:51,820
a question for our guest yeah first off

1958
01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:54,280
I want to say Bill I've followed you for

1959
01:42:02,939 --> 01:41:56,920
many years in your UFO Hunters show was

1960
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:02,949
awesome yeah and yes I wish you guys

1961
01:42:11,790 --> 01:42:08,650
that will continued it and also I

1962
01:42:14,850 --> 01:42:11,800
haven't I just caught the live show here

1963
01:42:17,130 --> 01:42:14,860
and are wondering what your take on it

1964
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:17,140
is on the two stars

1965
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:19,750
Academy and especially like the recent

1966
01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:26,170
split the stock offer and just your your

1967
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:28,510
overall take on what what's going on

1968
01:42:34,350 --> 01:42:31,290
with the the outcomes

1969
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:34,360
hey the stock split the stock split

1970
01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:37,020
speaks for itself I mean I have to say

1971
01:42:44,940 --> 01:42:40,720
it's one thing to have a legitimate

1972
01:42:47,970 --> 01:42:44,950
scientific endeavor under an academic

1973
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:47,980
auspice I get it I mean maybe I'm

1974
01:42:52,230 --> 01:42:49,690
prejudiced in the regard that really I

1975
01:42:55,140 --> 01:42:52,240
think that I really like to have

1976
01:42:57,930 --> 01:42:55,150
peer-reviewed studies I believe that

1977
01:43:00,000 --> 01:42:57,940
people who've spent the bulk of their

1978
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:00,010
lives studying that particular

1979
01:43:07,850 --> 01:43:03,670
discipline should be the ones to review

1980
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:07,860
material but to do it as like a

1981
01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:12,370
corporation that's selling stock that's

1982
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:14,350
investing in this that really bothers me

1983
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:16,960
I have to say I just see an underside to

1984
01:43:25,190 --> 01:43:20,890
that that I don't like it's not as

1985
01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:25,200
though to the Stars Academy is the first

1986
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:29,380
group ever to do this I mean Robert

1987
01:43:36,330 --> 01:43:33,280
Bigelow had his own needs or needs

1988
01:43:41,460 --> 01:43:36,340
organization to study the phenomena I

1989
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:41,470
get that that was self funded I I get

1990
01:43:47,310 --> 01:43:44,130
where the where the government has been

1991
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:47,320
researching this for years that's pretty

1992
01:43:55,110 --> 01:43:50,320
clear again and one of the things that

1993
01:44:00,210 --> 01:43:55,120
happened early in the realization that

1994
01:44:04,170 --> 01:44:00,220
we were not alone is that a lot of the

1995
01:44:07,740 --> 01:44:04,180
research into the technology that we

1996
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:07,750
recovered a lot of that research was

1997
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:11,290
done by private groups by NGOs

1998
01:44:19,170 --> 01:44:14,490
non-government organizations because

1999
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:19,180
NGOs are not responsive to freedom they

2000
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:21,280
don't have to comply with freedom of the

2001
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:25,920
press requests or everything to say you

2002
01:44:30,820 --> 01:44:28,510
justice do you think the Steve Justice

2003
01:44:33,670 --> 01:44:30,830
has the goods on this do I think

2004
01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:33,680
yeah I think so possibly but I mean you

2005
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:35,630
don't have to comply with requests you

2006
01:44:39,940 --> 01:44:37,310
can keep things secret you can do your

2007
01:44:43,540 --> 01:44:39,950
research in private and in fact some

2008
01:44:47,620 --> 01:44:43,550
folks who shall go nameless have said

2009
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:47,630
gee what a shame it is every single UFO

2010
01:44:55,060 --> 01:44:50,480
we've recovered doesn't have propulsion

2011
01:44:57,310 --> 01:44:55,070
using dark energy and I said whoa that

2012
01:45:00,370 --> 01:44:57,320
means that there were groups actively

2013
01:45:02,710 --> 01:45:00,380
studying UFOs possibly funded in part by

2014
01:45:05,470 --> 01:45:02,720
the government and that the government

2015
01:45:08,230 --> 01:45:05,480
has been studying this phenomena for a

2016
01:45:11,530 --> 01:45:08,240
long time but when government study

2017
01:45:15,190 --> 01:45:11,540
things they study them for a purpose and

2018
01:45:18,460 --> 01:45:15,200
the purpose is if these guys have

2019
01:45:20,980 --> 01:45:18,470
technology that we need let's study that

2020
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:20,990
technology let's develop that technology

2021
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:25,330
and that's what I think is going on

2022
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:27,520
interesting right

2023
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:31,280
well that's what I realized I just I

2024
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:33,290
just thought that that they've already

2025
01:45:38,260 --> 01:45:35,600
got it figured out and just trying to

2026
01:45:39,850 --> 01:45:38,270
figure out a way I do not think so I do

2027
01:45:42,670 --> 01:45:39,860
not think so one of the fascinating

2028
01:45:44,620 --> 01:45:42,680
things about Ronald Reagan is that

2029
01:45:47,110 --> 01:45:44,630
Ronald Reuel President Reagan had two

2030
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:47,120
separate UFO sightings and there were

2031
01:45:53,860 --> 01:45:50,330
heavy heavy sightings one was when he

2032
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:53,870
was still still in show business he was

2033
01:45:58,060 --> 01:45:56,570
still I think he was hosting Death

2034
01:45:59,620 --> 01:45:58,070
Valley days at the time I'm not sure

2035
01:46:01,690 --> 01:45:59,630
what show he was doing but you're

2036
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:01,700
supposing Death Valley days I think so

2037
01:46:06,820 --> 01:46:04,370
would have been in the 50s and he was

2038
01:46:09,850 --> 01:46:06,830
riding down Pacific Coast Highway him

2039
01:46:14,050 --> 01:46:09,860
and Nancy bright he was with Nancy

2040
01:46:17,620 --> 01:46:14,060
Reagan and they saw a UFO over the

2041
01:46:20,110 --> 01:46:17,630
highway that went out over the highway

2042
01:46:22,540 --> 01:46:20,120
and went out into Santa Monica Bay and

2043
01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:22,550
went into the ocean and Reagan was like

2044
01:46:29,410 --> 01:46:26,120
and he claimed and he has said that he

2045
01:46:32,530 --> 01:46:29,420
felt that he received the message from

2046
01:46:33,370 --> 01:46:32,540
that craft to get out of acting and get

2047
01:46:36,340 --> 01:46:33,380
into politics

2048
01:46:39,370 --> 01:46:36,350
surely thereafter he ran for governor of

2049
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:39,380
California as governor of California he

2050
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:41,810
was in his plane governor's plane ride

2051
01:46:47,650 --> 01:46:44,930
his official plane flying from LA

2052
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:47,660
from Los Angeles back to Sacramento as

2053
01:46:54,490 --> 01:46:49,970
they were flying over the Central Valley

2054
01:46:57,790 --> 01:46:54,500
over Fresno the pot he sees a flying

2055
01:46:59,800 --> 01:46:57,800
saucer out the planes window he says to

2056
01:47:01,570 --> 01:46:59,810
his pilot do you see that the pilot is

2057
01:47:04,780 --> 01:47:01,580
yes governor I see that he's and we'll

2058
01:47:07,570 --> 01:47:04,790
follow that UFO so the plane turns over

2059
01:47:10,150 --> 01:47:07,580
the Mojave Desert to follow the UFO the

2060
01:47:13,540 --> 01:47:10,160
UFO Willis is being found shoots up into

2061
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:13,550
the sky Regan is so excited that when he

2062
01:47:18,670 --> 01:47:16,400
lands in Sacramento he says to the first

2063
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:18,680
person he sees I think his name was

2064
01:47:22,450 --> 01:47:20,810
Walter Miller he was the Sacramento

2065
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:22,460
bureau chief for The Wall Street Journal

2066
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:25,850
he says I just saw a UFO I'm so excited

2067
01:47:31,480 --> 01:47:28,970
I'm gonna tell Nancy true story it shows

2068
01:47:34,090 --> 01:47:31,490
up in the Wall Street Journal when

2069
01:47:35,710 --> 01:47:34,100
Ronald Reagan is talking about is

2070
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,720
talking about another now there were two

2071
01:47:41,620 --> 01:47:38,480
things going on in in in the 80s when

2072
01:47:45,460 --> 01:47:41,630
Reagan was president one the Soviet

2073
01:47:47,710 --> 01:47:45,470
Union developed its satellite launching

2074
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:47,720
capability to be able to put up

2075
01:47:51,820 --> 01:47:50,090
satellites in a week which meant they

2076
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:51,830
had the edge on us when it came to

2077
01:47:58,360 --> 01:47:54,410
putting up surveillance satellites

2078
01:48:02,680 --> 01:47:58,370
that's one we needed a way to surveil

2079
01:48:08,350 --> 01:48:02,690
those surveillance satellites and shoot

2080
01:48:10,630 --> 01:48:08,360
them down hmm but Reagan also knew

2081
01:48:12,940 --> 01:48:10,640
because he'd seen one that there were

2082
01:48:14,980 --> 01:48:12,950
UFOs flying all over the place so how

2083
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:14,990
about this you create a ring of

2084
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:16,880
satellites around the planet Hughes

2085
01:48:21,340 --> 01:48:18,770
Aircraft was responsible for doing a lot

2086
01:48:25,300 --> 01:48:21,350
of that work around the planet that not

2087
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:25,310
only looked down but look sideways that

2088
01:48:31,140 --> 01:48:27,530
the other satellites but also look out

2089
01:48:33,310 --> 01:48:31,150
there for UFOs what a perfect cover

2090
01:48:38,380 --> 01:48:33,320
Reagan was probably the first

2091
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:38,390
under-the-table UFO president Wow that's

2092
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,050
interesting

2093
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:42,080
I never never thought of anything about

2094
01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:46,730
that and that was the Space Defense it

2095
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,490
was sort of Star Wars as it said right

2096
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:52,400
did they call it star star was hey

2097
01:48:57,010 --> 01:48:54,050
thanks for the call we're yeah I think

2098
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:57,020
near the end oh yeah hello thank you

2099
01:49:01,479 --> 01:48:58,130
very much all right

2100
01:49:04,169 --> 01:49:01,489
again thanks for the call so so bill we

2101
01:49:08,859 --> 01:49:04,179
only have a couple minutes left here and

2102
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:08,869
so we can look forward to your your book

2103
01:49:13,390 --> 01:49:12,050
coming out and about when would think I

2104
01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:13,400
would say September

2105
01:49:19,810 --> 01:49:15,320
I mean I'm finishing up now I'm doing

2106
01:49:21,250 --> 01:49:19,820
well right now I mean an article but I'm

2107
01:49:23,740 --> 01:49:21,260
in a chapter but I think is very

2108
01:49:26,140 --> 01:49:23,750
exciting it's the story of the

2109
01:49:31,089 --> 01:49:26,150
relationship between the actress Hedy

2110
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:31,099
Lamarr Tunde Lau Hedy Lamarr and dr. max

2111
01:49:36,270 --> 01:49:35,090
Jacobson dr. feelgood but also how Hedy

2112
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:36,280
Lamarr

2113
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:41,449
developed spread spectrum technology

2114
01:49:46,689 --> 01:49:43,760
that's the technology that powers your

2115
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:46,699
iPhone remember the old days Marty yeah

2116
01:49:51,879 --> 01:49:49,760
or the old days of CB radios you oh yes

2117
01:49:54,220 --> 01:49:51,889
sure to break away

2118
01:49:57,580 --> 01:49:54,230
hey breaker breaker channel 9 yeah and

2119
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,590
somebody then Jesus Mike or Keys her

2120
01:50:02,740 --> 01:49:59,599
Mike yeah and what happened is you

2121
01:50:05,919 --> 01:50:02,750
cancel out yeah watch out the entire

2122
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:05,929
thing hey you get off that band okay hey

2123
01:50:10,359 --> 01:50:07,780
Bill

2124
01:50:12,939 --> 01:50:10,369
do we have out of a minute this person's

2125
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:12,949
been trying to call in overall but we

2126
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,449
only have a minute so make this real

2127
01:50:19,359 --> 01:50:16,719
quick if you would call your first name

2128
01:50:25,569 --> 01:50:19,369
this is Phil calling from Redondo Beach

2129
01:50:27,010 --> 01:50:25,579
California question here yeah yeah the

2130
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:27,020
quick call the quick question here as

2131
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,639
bill is I had this conversation with

2132
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:30,800
whitley cerebral awhile ago and I've

2133
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:32,510
studied this phenomena for over 35 years

2134
01:50:37,419 --> 01:50:35,570
and I've never seen the UFO FILES so

2135
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:37,429
active I was just wondering if you could

2136
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:38,810
comment on that and I'll take your

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answer off the air thank you it's very

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it's extremely active I think that

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what's happening is the that this stuff

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is coming to light deliberately and it's

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coming to light not because we've

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discovered UFOs you've known about UFOs

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for like thousands of years it's coming

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to light I mean look at some of the

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medieval paintings where you see UFOs up

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up in the sky the Annunciation of Mary

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for example the the the the government

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is now set

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to release a lot of the exotic weapons

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they've developed from that technology

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and in order to do so they have to

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prepare us so how do they prepare us

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they take videos that's what's going on

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interesting bill thank you so much it's

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been a pleasure as always as always a

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lot of fun talking to you thank it's

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been a pleasure you take care of

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yourself all right take care

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talk to you soon all right all right

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everyone so that's it for the show

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tonight thank you so much for listening

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we'll be back next week with Joe Maria

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and known as UFO Joe and thanks so much

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for listening and also thank you for

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everyone that helps out with a show and

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Alejandro Rojas and our guests and you

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the listener remember to keep your eyes

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to the sky and it hits me oh my gosh

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this is that triangle you know there's

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explanation for everything that occurred

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in the Rendlesham forest incident it

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aliens at all it was completely silent

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it comes right over our head it's so

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classic he's also really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and